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GoodJet 02-23-2024 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by Jetlikespeed (Post 3772879)
may? My brother in Christ we don’t even have Aprils bid packet yet

My bad. I meant Feburary. I keep mixing it up the live PBS start date with our mock bid for February.

There is near zero open time for SEA in the last mock bid which of course was for February. Not May. Whoops.

GoodJet 02-23-2024 09:45 PM


Originally Posted by Carebear (Post 3772908)
Maybe a better idea would have been to furlough reserves for 2 months to allow other reserves to pick up from 79 hours to 90 hours. Wasn't the issue that not enough people took the unpaid LOAs offered earlier so they offered incentive lines instead?

Furloughs? Is that cost effective? Can it be done when UA and DAL are still hiring? How would that impact AS hiring going forward? I think we both know the answer to all that.


Originally Posted by clearandcold (Post 3772983)
Seems like the open time that was left over in my base is about what it always is after OF lines are awarded. There really hasn’t been much to pickup in the last two months. Pretty sure come summer things will be descent again. Maybe not like last year but should still be ok.

I'm not sure we are looking at the same report? Scroll to the bottom of the award and it is listed at the bottom of the report as Open time 1. 14 hours total in open for CA and 10 for FOs, in SEA.

clearandcold 02-24-2024 01:43 AM


Originally Posted by GoodJet (Post 3773016)
Furloughs? Is that cost effective? Can it be done when UA and DAL are still hiring? How would that impact AS hiring going forward? I think we both know the answer to all that.



I'm not sure we are looking at the same report? Scroll to the bottom of the award and it is listed at the bottom of the report as Open time 1. 14 hours total in open for CA and 10 for FOs, in SEA.

I’m not in Seattle so we aren’t looking at the same report.

GoodJet 02-24-2024 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by clearandcold (Post 3772983)
Seems like the open time that was left over in my base is about what it always is after OF lines are awarded. There really hasn’t been much to pickup in the last two months. Pretty sure come summer things will be descent again. Maybe not like last year but should still be ok.


Originally Posted by clearandcold (Post 3773036)
I’m not in Seattle so we aren’t looking at the same report.

Just wondering which report you were looking at?? Or are you just making stuff up because no one here seems to try to seek out factual information before they just believe someone that "open time that was left over in my base is about what it always is after OF lines are awarded"? I know a lot of AS pilots on the internal forum got away with making recession forecasts that still haven't come to fruition almost 2 years after we voted and no one seems to care. However I feel it's pretty sad that not onlywhat you claim needs to be corrected but few would bother to check to see if it is absolutely false or not. So I checked for everyone reading:


Open Time




ANC:

CA 3 trips 32.5

FO 4 trips 60.5


LAX:


CA 12 trips 100hrs

FO 6 trips 45hrs

PDX

CA 2 trips 27 hrs

FO 0 trips 0 hrs

SEA


CA 2 trips 14 hrs

FO 1 trip 10.5 hrs

SFO

CA 0 trips 0 hrs

FO 4 trips 34 hrs

Carebear 02-24-2024 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by GoodJet (Post 3773016)
Furloughs? Is that cost effective? Can it be done when UA and DAL are still hiring? How would that impact AS hiring going forward? I think we both know the answer to all that.



I'm not sure we are looking at the same report? Scroll to the bottom of the award and it is listed at the bottom of the report as Open time 1. 14 hours total in open for CA and 10 for FOs, in SEA.

No, furloughs aren’t cost effective for 2 months. What seems to be cost effective is allowing pilots to take paid time off and pay reserves guarantee which they most likely won’t fly up to. I’d say even more cost effective than a scenario of a senior pilot bidding reserve and being able to credit 110 hours while only flying 40 hours.

clearandcold 02-24-2024 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by GoodJet (Post 3773168)
Just wondering which report you were looking at?? Or are you just making stuff up because no one here seems to try to seek out factual information before they just believe someone that "open time that was left over in my base is about what it always is after OF lines are awarded"? I know a lot of AS pilots on the internal forum got away with making recession forecasts that still haven't come to fruition almost 2 years after we voted and no one seems to care. However I feel it's pretty sad that not onlywhat you claim needs to be corrected but few would bother to check to see if it is absolutely false or not. So I checked for everyone reading:


Open Time




ANC:

CA 3 trips 32.5

FO 4 trips 60.5


LAX:


CA 12 trips 100hrs

FO 6 trips 45hrs

PDX

CA 2 trips 27 hrs

FO 0 trips 0 hrs

SEA


CA 2 trips 14 hrs

FO 1 trip 10.5 hrs

SFO

CA 0 trips 0 hrs

FO 4 trips 34 hrs

Yep, you got it. In my base it’s about the same as it has been for a while. We have an abundance of FO’s so a lot of the leftover trips after step trading have been going into open flying lines. Open time usually starts with 3 or 4 garbage trips. Eventually things get going though as people drop a few things. So not false?

GoodJet 02-26-2024 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by clearandcold (Post 3773214)
Yep, you got it. In my base it’s about the same as it has been for a while. We have an abundance of FO’s so a lot of the leftover trips after step trading have been going into open flying lines. Open time usually starts with 3 or 4 garbage trips. Eventually things get going though as people drop a few things. So not false?

I don't know what your base is but I know that for SEA it's dramatically less.

GoodJet 02-26-2024 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by clearandcold (Post 3773214)
Yep, you got it. In my base it’s about the same as it has been for a while. We have an abundance of FO’s so a lot of the leftover trips after step trading have been going into open flying lines. Open time usually starts with 3 or 4 garbage trips. Eventually things get going though as people drop a few things. So not false?

I don't know the base you are talking about and the only base I regularly check is my own, SEA. The open time remaining in my base under PBS is vastly different than months past.

I spoke about this issue with a PBS volunteer at length and they didn't seem to be concerned. Although they were senior enough it wouldn't affect them.

clearandcold 02-26-2024 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by GoodJet (Post 3774038)
I don't know the base you are talking about and the only base I regularly check is my own, SEA. The open time remaining in my base under PBS is vastly different than months past.

I spoke about this issue with a PBS volunteer at length and they didn't seem to be concerned. Although they were senior enough it wouldn't affect them.

Feb is also the low point for the amount of flying we have. I don’t feel like Feb will be representative of the remaining months, especially summer.

GoodJet 02-26-2024 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by clearandcold (Post 3774094)
Feb is also the low point for the amount of flying we have. I don’t feel like Feb will be representative of the remaining months, especially summer.

Agreed. It's also why we aren't seeing any unstacking. We also don't know how the unstacking levels will work. Is it 50% if you have a holiday day on your schedule or if there are holidays in the month?


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