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Old 02-28-2017, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by greatbigsea View Post
southwest is a real airline because they've aggressively grown to over 700 aircraft in 50 years and take care of their pilots. When alaska decides to actually grow by airframes and not seat count, places those planes at alaska and not horizon/skywest, and chooses to grow instead of rely on codesharing for 'growth', then they'll be a real airline. Right now they're a glorified travel agent who sells tickets on other airlines, who happens to operate a small handful of a/c regionally in the pnw. If they could get away with it they'd ditch he planes and just sell tickets as long as it brings money in for the investors.
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Old 02-28-2017, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Klsytakesit View Post
The unoficial word from operations is 3 fold:
1) combination of selling or paying to not receive the 321's
2) Redirect the 320's to a north/ south roll and begin replacing them with 737's
3) Close JFK as a base. Turn it into a focus city.

This from a "senior checkairman" during a line check..couple days ago.
As if they know anything....

Virgin America's a321NEO, First Pics and More - TravelUpdate

Let this add to further speculation
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Old 02-28-2017, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by GreatBigSea View Post
Southwest is a real airline because they've aggressively grown to over 700 aircraft in 50 years and take care of their pilots. When Alaska decides to actually grow by airframes and not seat count, places those planes at Alaska and not horizon/skywest, and chooses to grow instead of rely on codesharing for 'growth', then they'll be a real airline. Right now they're a glorified travel agent who sells tickets on other airlines, who happens to operate a small handful of a/c regionally in the PNW. If they could get away with it they'd ditch he planes and just sell tickets as long as it brings money in for the investors.
Well, I guess 130 aircraft could be considered "a small handful". And I suppose flying those 130 aircraft from bases on the west coast to Alaska, Hawaii, Mexico, Central America, Cuba, the east coast and lots of places in between could be considered "regional" if you define your region as the western hemisphere or maybe the Americas. It certainly doesn't fit within what the Pacific Northwest is generally considered to be.

Whatever.

So it seems that your definition of a real airline, which is notably different from Yeti's definition of a real airline (which appears to be an airline that operates multiple aircraft types) is one that increases headcount without regard for how that affects profitability. I'm pretty sure there have been airlines like that in the past. There's a reason why they're in the past.

You are aware that the company has a fiduciary duty to shareholders to try to operate the company profitably, right? If dumping the planes and selling tickets like a glorified travel agent is the most profitable way to go, then that is what I as a shareholder would expect them to do. People who own stock in airlines own it because they expect to make money, not because they want to be in the airline business.
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Originally Posted by Reactivity View Post
Well, I guess 130 aircraft could be considered "a small handful". And I suppose flying those 130 aircraft from bases on the west coast to Alaska, Hawaii, Mexico, Central America, Cuba, the east coast and lots of places in between could be considered "regional" if you define your region as the western hemisphere or maybe the Americas. It certainly doesn't fit within what the Pacific Northwest is generally considered to be.



Whatever.



So it seems that your definition of a real airline, which is notably different from Yeti's definition of a real airline (which appears to be an airline that operates multiple aircraft types) is one that increases headcount without regard for how that affects profitability. I'm pretty sure there have been airlines like that in the past. There's a reason why they're in the past.



You are aware that the company has a fiduciary duty to shareholders to try to operate the company profitably, right? If dumping the planes and selling tickets like a glorified travel agent is the most profitable way to go, then that is what I as a shareholder would expect them to do. People who own stock in airlines own it because they expect to make money, not because they want to be in the airline business.


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Old 02-28-2017, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot View Post
Your screen name is very fitting.
SWA pilot here. Gary Kelly would drown all of us like kittens in a bathtub if he could. He paid us after four years of contentious negotiations and a complete overhaul of our union board into a somewhat hostile and very unified team.
Hang in there and be unified. Do what your union asks and either have faith in your NC or kick the bums out if they deliver a turd. That's how you get the contract you deserve.
Amen to all that....We lost when they picked Brad Tilden instead of Greg Saretsky....The Seattle crowd will always sell out to one of their own. They swayed the vote in 09 and then again in 13...We already have the contract we have asked for and deserve...nothing left but an 18% pay raise spread accross three years and PBS.....Alaska will be the crown jewel......
 
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Back to hiring, if that is ok? There is a March 13 class then none in April, May or June. Next class will be in July if nothing changes.
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Old 03-01-2017, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Pogey Bait View Post
It's scheduled to operate vx001 5/31/17 SFO-DCA.
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Old 03-01-2017, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by FL410 View Post
Back to hiring, if that is ok? There is a March 13 class then none in April, May or June. Next class will be in July if nothing changes.


How nice. A "growing" airline but no hiring. Meanwhile every other airline is hiring at full speed.
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Old 03-01-2017, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by OCCP View Post
How nice. A "growing" airline but no hiring. Meanwhile every other airline is hiring at full speed.
I heard interviews were conducted at 555 last week.
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Old 03-01-2017, 11:49 AM
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Back to hiring, if that is ok? There is a March 13 class then none in April, May or June. Next class will be in July if nothing changes.
Is this speculation or confirmed by a good source?
Thanks for the info all the same!
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