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Old 05-09-2018, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
Not trying to be relevant. Just trying to be honest. You hate the company I work for, you pretend unity, be honest you guys really only care about yourselves. I hope Ispeak is soon a DAL 777 CA, ECH a Amr 777 CA. You can call me an outlier, I can tell you, I have talked with many of my contemporaries on my side. Almost all feel the same way. Some might not voice it, but that does not make it anymore true. I wish you all the best, just not at Alaska. Most of you, judging by your posts would be happier elsewhere anyways.
You are correct, you are not relevant.
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Old 05-09-2018, 01:50 PM
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You are correct, you are not relevant.
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Old 05-09-2018, 01:53 PM
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You write something honest on this website and everyone freaks out, and calls you names. The beauty of this forum is we all really can be honest, we don’t have to lie or pretend.
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Old 05-09-2018, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by KnockKnock
I’m bidding in the low 70% at AS and have been getting 95% of what I want out of a schedule for at least the last year. I average 16 days off, crediting 80-85 hrs, start times when I want them and type of flying I prefer to do. All while easily avoiding the stuff I don’t want, like all-nighters and S.E. I also haven’t worked a single Christmas and only 1 Thanksgiving since I’ve been here. I’m able to spread my vacay out to get extra days off from April-August. While there is plenty of room for improvement to our section 25, it certainly hasn’t been the Bataan death march some have painted it to be. I’ve worked under both systems and have seen the good and bad each has to offer. I have friends at most of the other major airlines, many with PBS. None of them seem to promote their PBS systems anywhere near the level ExVX guys do. They all say pretty much the same things I experienced while using it. Good for the senior folks while hanging the Jr. guys out to dry. You have to know the system inside and out so as not to screw yourself and you typically have to sacrifice one thing you might want in order to gain another. What is it about the VX system that makes, at least those on here, overwhelmingly in favor of PBS? Now that AAG has taken the reigns, many are complaining about QOL going down the toilet but you’re still using PBS. You’re being optimized and losing days off. Now that you’re getting to sample what will become of PBS under a management that loves them some productivity, what makes you think it would be better if we adopted it system wide? I’ll look at any system but wouldn’t vote in favor for something that would just lead me to the same optimized outcome while not gaining anything in return......Wasn’t this a thread on hiring....Ha!
Knock Knock, be honest.. We have seen AS bid package as a whole. The Lines are generally bad! Lol

There is a lot more flexibility in PBS. It's not unheard of for Very Junior guys to get 16-20 Days Off coupled with the EXACT range of Days Off they want for EACH week of the month in one shot.

One and Done!

Someone dictating my Trips AND my Days Off by building Lines for me is not my idea of having control over my schedule. Then I gotta spend the rest of the month begging, buying or borrowing to get it to my liking almost every month..

It's an archaic system....
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Old 05-09-2018, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by All Bizniz
Knock Knock, be honest.. We have seen AS bid package as a whole. The Lines are generally bad! Lol

There is a lot more flexibility in PBS. It's not unheard of for Very Junior guys to get 16-20 Days Off coupled with the EXACT range of Days Off they want for EACH week of the month in one shot.

One and Done!

Someone dictating my Trips AND my Days Off by building Lines for me is not my idea of having control over my schedule. Then I gotta spend the rest of the month begging, buying or borrowing to get it to my liking almost every month..

It's an archaic system....
What kind of credit are you looking at with 20 days off? Don’t get me wrong, I’d like to stay home all month and get paid for it but I need min 80 hrs, (kids n sh!t). That typically comes in the form of around 16 days off for me. I haven’t had to trade a trip in 6 months. Also, how does PBS see/affect your vacation? Are you able to drop flying? The way AS does vacation drops isn't ideal (thanks Kasher) but being able to split my vacation days up and shotgun them out has been a huge gain. I get vacation weeks all spring and summer long. Last question, have you noticed your QOL change/decline since AS took charge and if so, do you see that no matter the system, management will squeeze every drop out of you? So fancy updated version, meet old antiquated version, you’ve been optimized. Either way you gotta find the loopholes and make it work for you. I contend that even if you want PBS, tell management hell no until the pot gets much, much, bigger.
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Old 05-09-2018, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
With all do respect sir, this may be to honest for most of you to handle.

The SLI reach by the VX side has put such a sour taste in my mouth that I will vote for nothing that any of you want. In fact, if I knew terrible schedules would cause 80 percent of you to leave and seek employment elsewhere, I would gladly do all I could to secure this outcome. Do I wish any of you ill, absolutely not. I hope those 80% go to Dal, Amr, Uua, and are quickly widebody captains and you all have great careers. I hope our negotiations drag into 2023. I wish for very very few computable lines. I don’t think you even begin to understand the divide that is quickly growing at this company. It will get very very bad in my estimation. So here is to Allbiz being a 787 CA very soon at Uua!
Don't worry buddy. We'll all be shopping our resumes soon enough. Including you.
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Old 05-09-2018, 04:09 PM
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With a net worth north of 7 mil, I assure you, I will not be participating in “the shopping”. In another life we would all be friends, I am sure. The disparity in longevity is to great in this one though. With reguard to SLI, this “different” definitely doesn’t work. You can have immediate seniority at any startup, you benefit from it significantly but you take tremendous risk with that move. You can never take that windfall and shove it down the throat of a legacy, it will never work. Even if you have think that legacy is a “Super Regional”, in your words.

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Old 05-09-2018, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
With all do respect sir, this may be to honest for most of you to handle.

The SLI reach by the VX side has put such a sour taste in my mouth that I will vote for nothing that any of you want. In fact, if I knew terrible schedules would cause 80 percent of you to leave and seek employment elsewhere, I would gladly do all I could to secure this outcome. Do I wish any of you ill, absolutely not. I hope those 80% go to Dal, Amr, Uua, and are quickly widebody captains and you all have great careers. I hope our negotiations drag into 2023. I wish for very very few computable lines. I don’t think you even begin to understand the divide that is quickly growing at this company. It will get very very bad in my estimation. So here is to Allbiz being a 787 CA very soon at Uua!
Again, this is why SLI union v union arbitrations should be done baseball style. OTZ is all b#tt hurt over VX's proposal and will be disgusted with anything that is less than what AK's MEC has proposed.

If it were baseball style, AK would have crafted a reasonable SLI (along with VX's MEC) and both sides would have been much closer to each other rather than torn apart in the process.
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Old 05-09-2018, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
In fact, if I knew terrible schedules would cause 80 percent of you to leave and seek employment elsewhere, I would gladly do all I could to secure this outcome.



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Do I wish any of you ill, absolutely not.

Is this guy being serious? It's honestly hard to tell with the amount of irony in his post.
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