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echelon 10-25-2021 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3314013)
PBS with our current set of work rules? No thanks. We will be working much, much more.


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Luckily that has never been on the table and never will be.

ShyGuy 10-25-2021 07:58 PM

We were lucky at VX they sparingly used the “ignore crew member threshold after pilot XX” option.

NewGuy01 10-25-2021 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by jayme (Post 3314035)
Have you ever worked for an airline using PBS?


Yes


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flyprdu 10-25-2021 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3314052)
We were lucky at VX they sparingly used the “ignore crew member threshold after pilot XX” option.

Everyone works near the annual maximum anyway. Ain't no squeezing more blood from this stone.

OTZeagle1 10-26-2021 07:45 AM

Touché, hommes and femmes…. I feel as though I am in Bordeaux. I am thankful only the wisest mill around on here. A lot of rhetoric and even more nonsense. Carry on!

echelon 10-26-2021 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3314214)
Touché, hommes and femmes…. I feel as though I am in Bordeaux. I am thankful only the wisest mill around on here. A lot of rhetoric and even more nonsense. Carry on!

How's the HAL merger coming along? Is that going to tank hopes of a non-arbitrated contract?

VirginEskimo 10-26-2021 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by jayme (Post 3314035)
Have you ever worked for an airline using PBS?

We all do. The folks working the passenger cabin are fairly unanimous on their appreciation of PBS. Likewise, our brethren at Horizon also seem to like it. The same AAG management group is manipulating their schedules and pairings but they haven’t watched their QOL harmed, quite the opposite. I’m not without trepidation and we should proceed cautiously but I get a sense that some in this pilot group are like an animal that won’t leave its cage when given the opportunity.

NewGuy01 10-26-2021 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3314214)
Touché, hommes and femmes…. I feel as though I am in Bordeaux. I am thankful only the wisest mill around on here. A lot of rhetoric and even more nonsense. Carry on!


Care to make some more wild an completely inaccurate claims about the future?

I’ll get some popcorn!


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NewGuy01 10-26-2021 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by echelon (Post 3314219)
How's the HAL merger coming along? Is that going to tank hopes of a non-arbitrated contract?


The best was a line check airman on the jump that said we were getting more cargo airplanes and we’d be moving cargo for Amazon.

It was probably OTZeagle…


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9mikemike 10-26-2021 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by VirginEskimo (Post 3314288)
We all do. The folks working the passenger cabin are fairly unanimous on their appreciation of PBS. Likewise, our brethren at Horizon also seem to like it. The same AAG management group is manipulating their schedules and pairings but they haven’t watched their QOL harmed, quite the opposite. I’m not without trepidation and we should proceed cautiously but I get a sense that some in this pilot group are like an animal that won’t leave its cage when given the opportunity.

So PBS is unaffected by any contractual language surrounding pairing construction, min day value, required days off, cancellation language etc……Training pay and vacation value will have no effect on PBS…..
Not having any contractual language surrounding the selection, staffing, implementation and control over the PBS program will also have no effect on schedule quality or value…
Then I am in….We should ask Alaska Airlines to implement PBS now…
Of course the Alaska Airlines FA’s have a significantly better contract when it comes to scheduling and work rules. And they have been fighting with Alaska Airlines for 15 years over constant PBS implementation and scheduling violations. And what pilots that work for an entirely separate corporation with completely separate management and a totally different union and contract have to do with this discussion mystifies me.
If it is stand alone as good as you say with no input from ALPA and no language surrounding it then lets get it done


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