Originally Posted by ShyGuy

You’re right, my fault, I’ll only settle for $445-500/hr per the APC math above.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

That much is plausible... from the company perspective a large bonus/retro will only enrich a bunch of people right before they bang out.

That's also slightly plausible.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy

Another view could be, regional wages should never have been what they have been over the years. RJ pay should be about 70% of NB rates at mainline. Regional pay has been insanely low for far too long. Just because they get $215 doesn’t mean legacy carriers need to get 450-500. Using the 70% ballpark, 215/.7 = 307. I guess I’m not understanding that just because the pay was 129 at QX and 266 at AS, and now that QX is 215, our pay needs to be linear like that and be 450/hr. Or we could recognize that RJ pay has always been historically low, they should have never been worse than 65-70% of mainline rates. And perhaps this is a move to fix that? Because by doing linear math and saying we should get 450-500/hr, you’re essentially saying you want Horizon to make half what you make. I understand the seat argument, but I don’t buy that for the regional industry. One, these jets should never have been outsourced. Delta already has payrates in their mainline contract for CRJ900s. Two, now that they are at regionals, their pay should never have been worse than 60-70% of mainline NB rates. IMHO - and it obviously isn’t with a lot - I don’t want to see regionals get left behind at 50% or less of mainline rates again.

Mainline - X
Regional - 65-70% within X

Just my 2 cents. I’d be okay with QX at 215 and AS at 320 at DOS. But y’all do y’all’s

Originally Posted by flyprdu

You just said that a ratio of 1.43:1 (70%) seemed like an appropriate amount. By the way, you pulled that completely out of thin air. Two pages ago you lambasted anyone who used a long-standing method of gauging pay, by seats and a ratio of 2.5:1, as being wildly unreasonable. Why is using your linear scale acceptable, while others are not?

For some reason you think that if mainline gets a proportional raise that it somehow diminishes the raise that the regional pilots just received. Please elaborate. Because a raise is a raise. All because others at another company also receive a raise does not impact you at all. In fact it's probably beneficial, as it creates more upward pressure on your employer to match again.

And it's simple math. You are advocating for regionals to get closer to mainlines in pay. In order for that to happen, mainline pay would have to have slower or frozen progress while regionals gain ground. So you did actually say it. You only wrapped those words in "won't someone think of the poor regional pilots!"

I don't understand what you're even arguing at this point, but you sure do want everyone to accept $320 as quickly as possible.

Originally Posted by Miltocivil

Will you stop posting what you’re ok with in terms of rates ? Pilots telling the company what rates they’re ok with undermine our union’s work. Common sense, come on!

Originally Posted by ShyGuy

The $320 was the latest shared rate of the union ask/proposal.

Originally Posted by NotTellin

Things change. That was almost 2 years ago. That number is no longer valid after the recent increases and expected increases at other carriers. I know for a fact that ALPA has asked that we all not talk about what we would or would not take publicly. But you continue to undermine our NC with your posts.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy

2 years? That was barely 6 months ago. It’s the latest union proposal that was put out in March.