Alaska Air Hiring
10-08-2017, 11:10 PM
#2511
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Posts: 94
Plus, wouldn’t anyone who’s anyone want to educate themselves in something. I agree that the degree doesn’t matter, but at the very least, you’re learning.
My 7-year-old doesn’t want to go to school, should I tell him it doesn’t matter?
My 7-year-old doesn’t want to go to school, should I tell him it doesn’t matter?
10-09-2017, 07:01 AM
#2512
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 983
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
I'm running into more and more pilots wondering when airlines are going to drop the 4 year degree. Just get one! Deep down I don't necessarily believe that a 4yr degree makes you successful or not in life but if you got into this career you knew that the good jobs required a degree.
10-09-2017, 07:01 PM
#2514
missionary
Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: Right seat 787 or missionary
Posts: 98
Don't Cry for Me Argentina
Originally Posted by Wynncore
For somebody who has moved on from AS it is pretty classless of you to return to an Alaska forum to lecture, berate, chastise and humiliate the Alaska pilot group over perceived negotiating weaknesses that existed while you were here. While some of your points are valid, now is not the time to spew your venom at a pilot group that A: You were once apart of and B: Put a very solid foot forward in the current negotiating cycle who's outcome is to be decided by a third party. You've moved on, this is no longer your fight.
I understand. No one likes to hear that their baby is ugly.
It's very simple. IMO, Nothing's changed there, at Alaskan Airways. The very fact that Alaska is yet again beholden to arbitration says it all. IMHO, Alaska would have already had a negotiated contract if during negotiations:
Alaska pilots did not fly Premium/VSA/time-and-a-half
Alaska pilots did not sell back vacation
Alaska pilots did not work on vacation
Alaska pilots did not work on days off
Alaska pilots did not build their lines up to 117 max
It's an unwritten rule that you do not do things like these during negotiations. Jeff Parker @ American did not do the "right thing" out of the goodness of his heart. He saw the writing on the wall. American pilots spelled it out to him.
You are only as strong as your union. What people forget is that the Union is not an MEC or a negotiating committee. The Union is the pilot in the seat next to you. If he or she is flying premium or VSA during negotiations, the Union is weak. By that definition, the union at Alaska is VERY, VERY weak, then and still now.
Companies, including Alaska, only understand a few things. They understand canceled flights, delayed flights, and increased training costs due to pilots leaving for greener pastures. Right or wrong, you do not get the contract you deserve. You get the contract you demand. Right or wrong, it is the reality under the RLA. (BTW, Where are the completion and on-time rates at Alaska? At Virgin?)
No, things have NOT changed at Alaska. It's the same thing all over again.
No matter the outcome of your arbitration, it'll only decide a few items. Alaska pilots will still be stuck with the same crappy work rules and lack of QoL at an airline with the longest list of unsettled grievances. They'll be facing openers in just two years, openers and section six negotiations with the same disingenuous approach from management.
As far as your ad hominem attacks against me, I will not respond in kind. I never have gone there. I will not start now. I refuse to stoop. However, in response to your latest attack, I will only repeat along the lines of what I said last time:
Take a deep breath. Take another bite of your PayDay candy bar and wash it down with another swig of Kool-aid. Heck, finish them both. Alaska has plenty more where that came from; because, Brad Tilden, the Cooch and Tom Kemp love you long time.
Lastly, Don't worry about me. Living well is the best revenge.
Last edited by GearBoy; 10-09-2017 at 07:43 PM. Reason: typo
10-09-2017, 09:36 PM
#2516
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: 737 Capt
Posts: 55
Originally Posted by GearBoy
Wynncompany,
I understand. No one likes to hear that their baby is ugly.
It's very simple. IMO, Nothing's changed there, at Alaskan Airways. The very fact that Alaska is yet again beholden to arbitration says it all. IMHO, Alaska would have already had a negotiated contract if during negotiations:
Alaska pilots did not fly Premium/VSA/time-and-a-half
Alaska pilots did not sell back vacation
Alaska pilots did not work on vacation
Alaska pilots did not work on days off
Alaska pilots did not build their lines up to 117 max
It's an unwritten rule that you do not do things like these during negotiations. Jeff Parker @ American did not do the "right thing" out of the goodness of his heart. He saw the writing on the wall. American pilots spelled it out to him.
You are only as strong as your union. What people forget is that the Union is not an MEC or a negotiating committee. The Union is the pilot in the seat next to you. If he or she is flying premium or VSA during negotiations, the Union is weak. By that definition, the union at Alaska is VERY, VERY weak, then and still now.
Companies, including Alaska, only understand a few things. They understand canceled flights, delayed flights, and increased training costs due to pilots leaving for greener pastures. Right or wrong, you do not get the contract you deserve. You get the contract you demand. Right or wrong, it is the reality under the RLA. (BTW, Where are the completion and on-time rates at Alaska? At Virgin?)
No, things have NOT changed at Alaska. It's the same thing all over again.
No matter the outcome of your arbitration, it'll only decide a few items. Alaska pilots will still be stuck with the same crappy work rules and lack of QoL at an airline with the longest list of unsettled grievances. They'll be facing openers in just two years, openers and section six negotiations with the same disingenuous approach from management.
As far as your ad hominem attacks against me, I will not respond in kind. I never have gone there. I will not start now. I refuse to stoop. However, in response to your latest attack, I will only repeat along the lines of what I said last time:
Take a deep breath. Take another bite of your PayDay candy bar and wash it down with another swig of Kool-aid. Heck, finish them both. Alaska has plenty more where that came from; because, Brad Tilden, the Cooch and Tom Kemp love you long time.
Lastly, Don't worry about me. Living well is the best revenge.
I understand. No one likes to hear that their baby is ugly.
It's very simple. IMO, Nothing's changed there, at Alaskan Airways. The very fact that Alaska is yet again beholden to arbitration says it all. IMHO, Alaska would have already had a negotiated contract if during negotiations:
Alaska pilots did not fly Premium/VSA/time-and-a-half
Alaska pilots did not sell back vacation
Alaska pilots did not work on vacation
Alaska pilots did not work on days off
Alaska pilots did not build their lines up to 117 max
It's an unwritten rule that you do not do things like these during negotiations. Jeff Parker @ American did not do the "right thing" out of the goodness of his heart. He saw the writing on the wall. American pilots spelled it out to him.
You are only as strong as your union. What people forget is that the Union is not an MEC or a negotiating committee. The Union is the pilot in the seat next to you. If he or she is flying premium or VSA during negotiations, the Union is weak. By that definition, the union at Alaska is VERY, VERY weak, then and still now.
Companies, including Alaska, only understand a few things. They understand canceled flights, delayed flights, and increased training costs due to pilots leaving for greener pastures. Right or wrong, you do not get the contract you deserve. You get the contract you demand. Right or wrong, it is the reality under the RLA. (BTW, Where are the completion and on-time rates at Alaska? At Virgin?)
No, things have NOT changed at Alaska. It's the same thing all over again.
No matter the outcome of your arbitration, it'll only decide a few items. Alaska pilots will still be stuck with the same crappy work rules and lack of QoL at an airline with the longest list of unsettled grievances. They'll be facing openers in just two years, openers and section six negotiations with the same disingenuous approach from management.
As far as your ad hominem attacks against me, I will not respond in kind. I never have gone there. I will not start now. I refuse to stoop. However, in response to your latest attack, I will only repeat along the lines of what I said last time:
Take a deep breath. Take another bite of your PayDay candy bar and wash it down with another swig of Kool-aid. Heck, finish them both. Alaska has plenty more where that came from; because, Brad Tilden, the Cooch and Tom Kemp love you long time.
Lastly, Don't worry about me. Living well is the best revenge.
Yep^^^^^^^^^😩
10-10-2017, 09:02 AM
#2518
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2014
Position: Captain B-737
Posts: 290
Originally Posted by GearBoy
Wynncompany,
The very fact that Alaska is yet again beholden to arbitration says it all.
The very fact that Alaska is yet again beholden to arbitration says it all.
10-11-2017, 05:12 AM
#2519
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Narrow/Left Wide/Right
Posts: 3,655
Originally Posted by EskimoJoe
Arbitration is on the table thanks to ALPA merger Policy, not the Alaska Pilot group. There was never a choice not to use arbitration in this process. It was predetermined by ALPA National.
10-11-2017, 06:56 AM
#2520
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 74
Originally Posted by EskimoJoe
Arbitration is on the table thanks to ALPA merger Policy, not the Alaska Pilot group. There was never a choice not to use arbitration in this process. It was predetermined by ALPA National.
Wrong. It is not ALPA national’s policy.
Arbitration is what was required during a merger by the Alaska Contract. Our two negotiating teams in the interest of trying to make this merger happen quickly agreed to keep it to only 3 sections.
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