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Really bummed... 12-14-16

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Originally Posted by plt32173 (Post 2259909)

Yeah dude. In like half of the articles that have come out in the last few days.

"In a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, Alaska said the settlement means it will lose codeshare revenue of $15 million to $20 million in 45 markets. The 45 markets represent about $60 million of annual revenue, but the carrier believes it can recapture much of the lost revenue by operating its own flights on the affected routes."

This isn't the one where I saw the exact figures. Just 40 seconds on google. You can check out the justice department website for those if you'd like to see where I came up with that quote. There's about 60 pertinent pages regarding our future on there.

Here's my google search lol
https://www.thestreet.com/story/13917835/1/both-sides-claim-victory-after-doj-approves-alaska-virgin-america-deal.html

Who's side are you on??? We should be talking about picketing after that last email from the union. Have you read that yet???

Neither your posts, nor the articles you linked to show Alaska making more money from codeshares than with their own metal.

The article you quoted says the airline will lose out on $15M-$20M in revenue out of $5B+. You don't need to challenge "who's side I'm on." I'm just trying to make sure I have as much information as possible. If Alaska makes most of their money through codesharing, I wanted to see the info with my eyes.

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Originally Posted by Mea25000 (Post 2261285)

Really bummed... 12-14-16

What's there to be bummed about?

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Originally Posted by cesnacaptn (Post 2261307)

Here is another article

"While the concessions covering the “codeshare” agreement with American represent a revenue loss of about $60 million a year, the airline believes it will recapture 70 percent of that through its own passengers for a final negative impact of about $15 million to $20 million, Alaska Air said. The codeshare concessions involve 45 markets, the company said."

So they make more money on those routes through codeshares than they would flying their own passengers own their own planes.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-06/alaska-air-wins-u-s-approval-for-virgin-america-takeover

My whole point was we need to make a strong scope clause a priority in addition to pay and retirement.

Here is the justice department ruling
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-requires-alaska-airlines-significantly-scale-back-codeshare-agreement

The five links on the bottom provide a lot of useful information regarding the ruling.

Between reading Alaskas intital intentions regarding the merger, staring at many RJ orders and seeing how management is conducting themselves in TPA negotiations Im not optimistic about our future. Now is the time for unity.

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Originally Posted by plt32173 (Post 2261399)

Here is another article

"While the concessions covering the “codeshare” agreement with American represent a revenue loss of about $60 million a year, the airline believes it will recapture 70 percent of that through its own passengers for a final negative impact of about $15 million to $20 million, Alaska Air said. The codeshare concessions involve 45 markets, the company said."

So they make more money on those routes through codeshares than they would flying their own passengers own their own planes.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...erica-takeover

My whole point was we need to make a strong scope clause a priority in addition to pay and retirement.

Here is the justice department ruling

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justi...hare-agreement

The five links on the bottom provide a lot of useful information regarding the ruling.

Between reading Alaskas intital intentions regarding the merger, staring at many RJ orders and seeing how management is conducting themselves in TPA negotiations Im not optimistic about our future. Now is the time for unity.

To me that doesn't say we make less money by flying the passengers. It says we can't take 100% of the passengers with us because a number of them will stay with American and not book with Alaska.

I'm 1000% for scope and completely understand how our codesharing hurts our organic growth. The DOJ has really created our biggest scope win so far during this merger and now we need to do our part and get meaningful Scope language in the JCBA.

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Originally Posted by plt32173 (Post 2261399)

Really I think it is time for a new job.......updating log books is not fun but I am almost finished....

I'm starting to wonder why Alaska didn't walk away at the DOJ conditions if it sort of forces them to compete instead of codesharing.

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Originally Posted by OCCP (Post 2261484)

I'm starting to wonder why Alaska didn't walk away at the DOJ conditions if it sort of forces them to compete instead of codesharing.

Because Alaska didn't want to be acquired by Southwest! :)

https://www.thestreet.com/story/1392...-grows-up.html

This should get interesting. They've operated in their own little bubble for 80+ years and now they have to put on some big boy pants and grow up.

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Originally Posted by Klsytakesit (Post 2261456)

Really I think it is time for a new job.......updating log books is not fun but I am almost finished....

That's why I always kept mine current. Actually doing my last trip this morning. :D