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Old 12-21-2016, 10:24 AM
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Sooooo how about that scope?
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Old 12-21-2016, 10:29 AM
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Where is this idea coming from, that it is beneficial to give flying to another carrier because the work is less enjoyable? Serious misunderstandings of scope no doubt. Keeping the work in house is what protects your job and that of your flying brothers...give the flying away, and you are undermining your own career whether or not you fly the undesirable routes. The only factor that should determine what flying you do should be based upon your seniority. Don't throw your hard earned career to someone else!


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Old 12-21-2016, 01:05 PM
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Where is this idea coming from, that it is beneficial to give flying to another carrier because the work is less enjoyable? Serious misunderstandings of scope no doubt. Keeping the work in house is what protects your job and that of your flying brothers...give the flying away, and you are undermining your own career whether or not you fly the undesirable routes. The only factor that should determine what flying you do should be based upon your seniority. Don't throw your hard earned career to someone else!


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Nope without scope
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Old 12-21-2016, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JetPoweredNomad View Post
Let Skywest, Horizon do it! I'd be perfectly happy not doing the bonus LAS turn to complete my trip. Let them ramp up the frequency on the short haul stuff and I'll go to BOS. There will be the SE Alaska (stuff) for the aviation purists.
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Old 12-21-2016, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JetPoweredNomad View Post
Let Skywest, Horizon do it! I'd be perfectly happy not doing the bonus LAS turn to complete my trip. Let them ramp up the frequency on the short haul stuff and I'll go to BOS. There will be the SE Alaska (stuff) for the aviation purists.
Is this what I get to work with after we merge?
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Old 12-21-2016, 03:19 PM
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SFO-MSP is a B scale market at best. Build up the market with the small jet and if it is worth the larger jet, it'll happen. Better to mature a market with a small airplane. But I guess job security is taking 25 people in a 320 from LAX to SJC and cancelling every other route the airline starts. We already did the OC thing and it worked stellar, huh? Delta has mainline RJ's, that's something for scope. Everything larger than 50 seats should be mainline. Except that Q400, keep that back at the regionals, even with another stretch job. Heck, maybe giving Skywest SFO-MSP is keeping us from getting 787s. If we have a go at scope, if it's even part of the TPA, let's scope the code share side as well. How quick does the 737 do PSC-PDT? Do we want to fly that route as well? Seniority has nothing to do with it if most of the lines in the bid packet are built in a way that it's impossible to commute to them both sides. There are so many issues, scope may not be the most pressing, and it's a huge. We have good negotiating teams, I have faith. Right now, there is no scope. So give a little bit of a break to someone seeing the bright side of expanding routes. If that's me not doing an OC turn at the end of a 4 day in the immediate future, all the better.
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Old 12-21-2016, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JetPoweredNomad View Post
SFO-MSP is a B scale market at best. Build up the market with the small jet and if it is worth the larger jet, it'll happen. Better to mature a market with a small airplane. But I guess job security is taking 25 people in a 320 from LAX to SJC and cancelling every other route the airline starts. We already did the OC thing and it worked stellar, huh? Delta has mainline RJ's, that's something for scope. Everything larger than 50 seats should be mainline. Except that Q400, keep that back at the regionals, even with another stretch job. Heck, maybe giving Skywest SFO-MSP is keeping us from getting 787s. If we have a go at scope, if it's even part of the TPA, let's scope the code share side as well. How quick does the 737 do PSC-PDT? Do we want to fly that route as well? Seniority has nothing to do with it if most of the lines in the bid packet are built in a way that it's impossible to commute to them both sides. There are so many issues, scope may not be the most pressing, and it's a huge. We have good negotiating teams, I have faith. Right now, there is no scope. So give a little bit of a break to someone seeing the bright side of expanding routes. If that's me not doing an OC turn at the end of a 4 day in the immediate future, all the better.
Agreed but Alaska should be flying those E175s. Let's put our foot in the sand and stop giving away flying.

Most of Alaska flying is regional. This flying never should've slipped away in the first place.
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Old 12-21-2016, 04:28 PM
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Small jet =a319/737-700.

It's a little concerning you don't see a problem with more rj's.
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Old 12-21-2016, 05:42 PM
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Everyone "knows" you can't make money with a -700. Apparently SWA missed that memo.
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Old 12-21-2016, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JetPoweredNomad View Post
SFO-MSP is a B scale market at best. Build up the market with the small jet and if it is worth the larger jet, it'll happen. Better to mature a market with a small airplane. But I guess job security is taking 25 people in a 320 from LAX to SJC and cancelling every other route the airline starts. We already did the OC thing and it worked stellar, huh? Delta has mainline RJ's, that's something for scope. Everything larger than 50 seats should be mainline. Except that Q400, keep that back at the regionals, even with another stretch job. Heck, maybe giving Skywest SFO-MSP is keeping us from getting 787s. If we have a go at scope, if it's even part of the TPA, let's scope the code share side as well. How quick does the 737 do PSC-PDT? Do we want to fly that route as well? Seniority has nothing to do with it if most of the lines in the bid packet are built in a way that it's impossible to commute to them both sides. There are so many issues, scope may not be the most pressing, and it's a huge. We have good negotiating teams, I have faith. Right now, there is no scope. So give a little bit of a break to someone seeing the bright side of expanding routes. If that's me not doing an OC turn at the end of a 4 day in the immediate future, all the better.
Just FYI Virgin used to do SFO-SNA on an Airbus. It was cancelled and the planes re-deployed (to I think YYZ at the time?). Now not an Airbus, but an E175 on the SNA route. With 30ish E175s coming online starting next year, this means the planes have to go somewhere. Would hate to see current 319/320 routes be replaced by E-Jets.
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