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Old 07-23-2017, 09:00 AM
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I see no value in you airing dirty laundry in public.
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Blatantly violating the company's media and social media policies will quickly help you to that end.
I guess posts alleging "mysterious" resignations of executive leadership don't count as "blatant violations of social media policies"?

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Yeah well I already get to eat my words. Our COO mysteriously resigned today. Maybe a buyout/merger IS eminent.
Or encouraging other company's pilots to violate a court ordered injunction?

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Wow, the Ford & Harrison trolling is strong here! That's right in the universal F&H negotiations playbook. "Go on pilot forums impersonating line pilots who just want to be reasonable, and lower everyone's expectations". Don't fall for it guys! Stand strong, those of us at other airlines are counting on you all! You've got them by the short hairs now, the injunction is their first cry of uncle. Keep twisting. You're almost there.
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Management and their attorneys creating new screen names over and over to troll or bait you guys on the message boards means you're winning. Ignore these fools and stand strong. Nobody can force you to work on a day off. Let management solve their own problems! Put your phone on do not disturb on days off!
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No, not a management troll. Pilot for another airline (non alpa) that wants to see you guys win. They are welcome to try and come after me, lol. But thanks for the baseless attack…

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Old 07-23-2017, 09:09 AM
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The bottom line is your engine shutdown/failure rate is abysmal. Even though there has been press coverage (minor) people don't pay attention until a load of passengers get killed.

The only thing that is saving "new ValuJet" is the skill of your pilots. If I was there, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to defend the maintenance practices of your airline.
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Old 07-23-2017, 10:59 AM
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Come on bro. We all stopped listening and checked the lastest seniority list when you said you've been here 10 years and you are unhappy.
"We all..??" Another one? Mouse in your pocket? Air Force buddies? Cartel? Junta? lol
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Old 07-23-2017, 11:01 AM
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The bottom line is your engine shutdown/failure rate is abysmal. Even though there has been press coverage (minor) people don't pay attention until a load of passengers get killed.

The only thing that is saving "new ValuJet" is the skill of your pilots. If I was there, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to defend the maintenance practices of your airline.
That comment will get you labelled as another one of my alter egos.
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Old 07-23-2017, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by tyler durden View Post
I guess posts alleging "mysterious" resignations of executive leadership don't count as "blatant violations of social media policies"?



Or encouraging other company's pilots to violate a court ordered injunction?
You've gone off the deep end. Take a deep breath there, "Tyler".

I know it's hard for you. HNL closes and you and your wife have to come back the the mainland. Then all these senior TDYs keep bumping you out of the sweet lines you're entitled to. I know. We all hear about it. You do carry a lot of water for this pilot group, but sometimes you just take it a little too far. I'm not management, but we both know they are reading this.

I'll say it again. Your personal crusade aside, it's very dumb to be scaring our customers away and fueling the media hype. You aren't going to affect change by dragging us all through the mud. The contract fight is over. We won. Now go fly your plane and go to the beach. Quit your constant whining here and in the fb page. Quit attacking everyone who speaks against you. It's way beyond old. We all have our opinions.
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Old 07-24-2017, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat View Post
The bottom line is your engine shutdown/failure rate is abysmal. Even though there has been press coverage (minor) people don't pay attention until a load of passengers get killed.

The only thing that is saving "new ValuJet" is the skill of your pilots. If I was there, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to defend the maintenance practices of your airline.
Oh, well the mighty alaska big mouth has spoken, so i guess that's that.

I'm thinking that since you don't work here, you have the same sensationalized information available that the general public does, so you probably don't need to weigh in on what you think our issue is any more than the passenger in 28D does.

I've read that dramatic Tampa Bay Times article too, but really, we have very few engine failures/shutdowns fleet wide. And most of the incidents we have are on planes that are being retired this year and are for non engine issues. There's room for improvement, but our maintenance oversight and reliability have gotten 1000% better here over the last year.

But it's pretty easy to throw rocks from across the street isn't it? By all means, go ahead. Let's not talk about Angle Lake's antics.
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Old 07-24-2017, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Pen View Post
The mx at G4 is worse than at other comparable airlines. Why is Tyler the only one that wants to admit this and why is everyone else acting like everything is fine.
The problem isn’t with Tyler admitting half our fleet is getting old and engine failures are bad. The problem, it appears, is with his bias and inability to entertain any other narrative. We do not deny the issue, some choose to look at it objectively and come to a different conclusion. If everyone else is acting like it's fine, maybe it is actually fine.

You state, “The mx at G4 is worse than comparable airlines.” Ok, what other comparable airline operates 45ish MD80s that comprise 50% of their fleet? NONE. We are the only one! We will be less reliable by default. As stated in an earlier post, “the three airlines that have the highest numbers of unscheduled landings… ALL MD80 OPERATORS. If American operated a fleet comprised of 56% old MD80’s, they would top this list!” If I remember correctly, AA went through a bunch of 80 shutdowns/failures around 2009, three in one week at one point. My last airline had a larger, younger fleet and mx was far worse.

Old MD80 with 1960s engine design + several captains in the left seat for the first time = higher number of unwarranted emergency declarations, diversions, and bad press. I have experienced this first hand.

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They try to use paper work, often lying (ie they MEL terrain system when the TCAS is what is actually INOP), to fix everything, instead of actually fixing the plane.
Really, a mechanic can’t make a mistake? C’mon! The guys who lie about that crap are few and hopefully being reported by us. MEL's can be frustrating, but again, we are flying old MD80s. It comes with the territory, especially now since they are accelerating the retirements.

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Eventually something bad will happen.
Eventually something bad always happens.
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Old 07-24-2017, 01:11 PM
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You've gone off the deep end. Take a deep breath there, "Tyler".

I know it's hard for you. HNL closes and you and your wife have to come back the the mainland. Then all these senior TDYs keep bumping you out of the sweet lines you're entitled to. I know. We all hear about it. You do carry a lot of water for this pilot group, but sometimes you just take it a little too far. I'm not management, but we both know they are reading this.

I'll say it again. Your personal crusade aside, it's very dumb to be scaring our customers away and fueling the media hype. You aren't going to affect change by dragging us all through the mud. The contract fight is over. We won. Now go fly your plane and go to the beach. Quit your constant whining here and in the fb page. Quit attacking everyone who speaks against you. It's way beyond old. We all have our opinions.

Guess again Sherlock. While you're at it , you might consider apologizing to whoever you think you just outed. Hopefully during your 'personal crusade' you haven't turned him in for violating social media policies yet. Who's looking dumb now?

Seriously, the slanderous and indiscriminate way by which you wield your self-appointed authority, speaking on behalf of others ("come to the FB page, then 'WE' will be willing to discuss") intimidating (Social Media policies), threatening (implied termination) and (wrongly) exposing those you believe to be deserving of your censure speaks volumes.

"Contract fight is over, we won". Really?? So all those maintenance reports had nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with money, huh? I wondered why it got so quiet. Thanks for the clarification. Sorry, but having suffered a couple of sudden closures I tend to concern myself about the long term.

And read the papers, G4 doesn't need any help from concerned pilots to scare the customers. Not that our passengers read APC anyway. LOL

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Old 07-24-2017, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by dutch rudder View Post
The problem isn’t with Tyler admitting half our fleet is getting old and engine failures are bad. The problem, it appears, is with his bias and inability to entertain any other narrative. We do not deny the issue, some choose to look at it objectively and come to a different conclusion. If everyone else is acting like it's fine, maybe it is actually fine.
Always respected your balanced opinion Dutch, still do. I have stood silent on the sidelines for a long time, hoping the new management changes and philosophies were trending in the right direction. For a while, they were. But the recent senior management revolving door, including maintenance, and what appears to be a return to the old, has brought a renewed sense of concern. I had great faith in JB and was very disappointed at his "retirement". I believe we all hope for the same end result, and may passionately argue our perspectives from time to time, but the collective goals are always the same, ie. the safety/success of our company and the welfare of our customers and crews
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Old 07-24-2017, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Packrat View Post
The bottom line is your engine shutdown/failure rate is abysmal. Even though there has been press coverage (minor) people don't pay attention until a load of passengers get killed.

The only thing that is saving "new ValuJet" is the skill of your pilots. If I was there, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to defend the maintenance practices of your airline.
The pilots got a pay raise and it made them forget about the crappy MX. Shows how much regard they have for pax safety
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