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Old 09-26-2023, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
Contract negotiations have been primarily focused on just the training section of the contract since the start of mediation nearly 6 months ago and no agreement has been reached. Some simple extrapolation & the realization there are numerous far more contentious & financially impactful sections yet to be tackled suggests the pessimists are probably being realistic.
Aviateutah - i agree with tailend here, the contract is going to be a long drawn out process. It probably won't be this slow the entire time (at this pace we won't have a contract until the 2030s and i believe ALPA will be on property by then if we still don't have a contract), but it will be years at this rate.

if you only live 20min from PVU and given that you will be able to hold PVU pretty quickly out of training, i think you could really love it here. if you don't, then you can get the type rating and move on like the other 40% of new hires and move on to a place that fits what you are looking for...
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Old 09-26-2023, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by captnate702
Aviateutah - i agree with tailend here, the contract is going to be a long drawn out process. It probably won't be this slow the entire time (at this pace we won't have a contract until the 2030s and i believe ALPA will be on property by then if we still don't have a contract), but it will be years at this rate.

if you only live 20min from PVU and given that you will be able to hold PVU pretty quickly out of training, i think you could really love it here. if you don't, then you can get the type rating and move on like the other 40% of new hires and move on to a place that fits what you are looking for...
[QUOTE=tailendcharlie;3701999]Contract negotiations have been primarily focused on just the training section of the contract since the start of mediation nearly 6 months ago and no agreement has been reached. Some simple extrapolation & the realization there are numerous far more contentious & financially impactful sections yet to be tackled suggests the pessimists are probably being realistic.

Great info, thanks for the replies.
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Old 09-28-2023, 05:16 AM
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The current pace would certainly suggest this taking a very long time. With that being said, the pace of negotiations is completely up to the company. If they decide at some point itís time to get the deal done, it can be done within a relatively short amount of time. They have all of the info needed with current pay scales, benefits, and work rules from all carriers that we need to be on par with. If it takes years to get a deal done, itís simply because the company wants it to take years.
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Old 09-28-2023, 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by SladeTin
The current pace would certainly suggest this taking a very long time. With that being said, the pace of negotiations is completely up to the company. If they decide at some point itís time to get the deal done, it can be done within a relatively short amount of time. They have all of the info needed with current pay scales, benefits, and work rules from all carriers that we need to be on par with. If it takes years to get a deal done, itís simply because the company wants it to take years.
The pace of things just got slower: https://ir.allegiantair.com/news-rel...aury-gallagher
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Old 09-28-2023, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ESQ702
The pace of things just got slower: https://ir.allegiantair.com/news-rel...aury-gallagher
Nah.
He was always in charge. Pace will remain the same IMO.
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Old 09-28-2023, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SladeTin
...With that being said, the pace of negotiations is completely up to the company.
Is it? Many that I fly with now arent quite so sure. The IBT is great at broadcasting when the company doesnt show up or isnt prepared, but the IBT pulls the same shenanigans. They are hoping for a win on the last arbitration. Do you really believe the IBT will do anything before that ruling? And that can take many months. Lots can change with leverage in that time frame.
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Old 09-28-2023, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by j3cub
Is it? Many that I fly with now arent quite so sure. The IBT is great at broadcasting when the company doesnt show up or isnt prepared, but the IBT pulls the same shenanigans. They are hoping for a win on the last arbitration. Do you really believe the IBT will do anything before that ruling? And that can take many months. Lots can change with leverage in that time frame.
I have to agree with you here. Whispers Iím hearing is that union has not been prepared with passes when they meet with NMB. When I asked how that can be I was told that company has three DC attorneys as hired guns to work round the clock while we only have one group to work on passes at a time. Sounds like an excuse but I also understand that management brought in FH and their team of lawyers to work round the clock.
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Old 09-28-2023, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by j3cub
Is it? Many that I fly with now arent quite so sure. The IBT is great at broadcasting when the company doesnt show up or isnt prepared, but the IBT pulls the same shenanigans. They are hoping for a win on the last arbitration. Do you really believe the IBT will do anything before that ruling? And that can take many months. Lots can change with leverage in that time frame.
Absolutely itís up to the company. The only thing the union can do for immediate results would be to accept less than standard. Hopefully thatís not what youíre implying. Waiting on the ruling is just not true. Do you really believe the company is offering industry standard? Iíve been telling you who has been running the show this whole time and that email confirms it. You obvious donít know him if you think standard is being offered and the union is slow rolling. There are people in the company that will be more than happy to tell you what they are offering because well, ďitís a big improvement from what you have.Ē You can ask what min day is being offered for example, that answer alone should tell you all you need to know.
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Old 09-28-2023, 09:31 AM
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Absolutely itís up to the company. The only thing the union can do for immediate results would be to accept less than standard. Hopefully thatís not what youíre implying. Waiting on the ruling is just not true. Do you really believe the company is offering industry standard? Iíve been telling you who has been running the show this whole time and that email confirms it. You obvious donít know him if you think standard is being offered and the union is slow rolling. There are people in the company that will be more than happy to tell you what they are offering because well, ďitís a big improvement from what you have.Ē You can ask what min day is being offered for example, that answer alone should tell you all you need to know.
I guess you really think we are as stupid as the E Board thinks we all areÖ yea we heard the open mic and the union trying to remove the audio of the hot mic is b.s.

Iím not implying anything about less than standard, only telling you what I hear. The hot mic is a terrible look and just shows you how amateur and untrustworthy our union reps are. That the union is not prepared for negotiations with the NMB is all bad news for us. The only way to have the threat of self help is to dot your Iís and cross your Tís every step of the way with the NMB.
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Old 09-28-2023, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by captnate702
I guess you really think we are as stupid as the E Board thinks we all areÖ yea we heard the open mic and the union trying to remove the audio of the hot mic is b.s.

Iím not implying anything about less than standard, only telling you what I hear. The hot mic is a terrible look and just shows you how amateur and untrustworthy our union reps are. That the union is not prepared for negotiations with the NMB is all bad news for us. The only way to have the threat of self help is to dot your Iís and cross your Tís every step of the way with the NMB.
What was said on the open mic? Not sure what youíre referring to? Is the company trustworthy? I donít think youíve ever had anything negative to say towards the company. If we had a better union we would of had a TA a long time ago?
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