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Old 09-29-2023, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SladeTin
I have to disagree. I think itís on both the company and the union to make progress. Iíve heard too many stories lately from people I trust that is making me change my stance here. Starting to remind me much more of convincing politicians than people who actually have our best interest in mind. And something has been ďabout to breakĒ in the economy for over a year now. When will that excuse end?
Something has been about to break for a year? I definitely missed that memo. It's usually a year and a half to 2 years after the first rate hike. Basically the opposite of what the media is telling you, almost never within the first year of raising rates. A recession will never happen when it is highly anticipated, once the last bear is wrecked then its more likely. Look at the past recessions, it never happens right away with the first hike. It's most often around when the fed pivots because something broke.
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Old 09-29-2023, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by captnate702
i heard something similar: the union ended negotiations and left LAX when they realized they were getting too close to a TA. i don't why the union got cold feet about the TA. but when i asked around about why the union left early, no one from union leadership denied leaving early. i can't believe they have been so quiet, usually AR can't help himself. all i gotta say is that ppl on the line are frustrated. there needs to be some movement quick or else there will be a regime change when the elections come up a year from now.

my two cents: AR doesn't want too much progress because he wants to make sure he gets three more years as the mob boss. he thinks we are too ignorant to vote him out (he'll make up an excuse that if you don't vote for him then negotiations will get delayed, etc.) AR hasn't flown the line in years - he's not even current. he makes over half a mil year from our dues and spends $75k on audio equipment, a home office and mood lighting. he runs the union like a mob boss and uses my dues like a slush fund. but don't worry, the union files thousands of GRIEVANCES as if that is going to placate us.
Maybe now is a good time to decertify and bring in ALPA. If we really are years away then letís get some experience in the room and send AR packing and commuting to PGD. AR is possibly the worst manager and delegator Iíve ever come across. ARís seeming contempt for the pilot group is really a poke in the eye too. If he thinks weíre too dumb to understand whatís going on then thatís on him for poor communication. However it seems that more and more people are realizing the truth that heís far from the smartest person in ANY room heís in and the contempt is a defense mechanism.

We are no better off than we were on August 1st 2016, we are no closer to a contract today than we were two years ago, none of ARís promised leverage has come to fruition, mediation is a flop, etc etc etcÖ AR is responsible for failure after failure. We need to remove him and his regime at the soonest possible opportunity.
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Old 09-29-2023, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by captnate702
you really think we are ever gonna see that money???? hahahahahahahaha... you are the most brainwashed union worshipper i have ever met. that money is never coming back to us.

and as far as the comment from the E Board: you think telling the pilot group that they are ignorant and too stupid to understand the NMB process is a good look?

our union doesn't even have a real lawyer which is probably why the union is unprepared during negotiations. how do you not understand that the only leverage we have is credible threat of self help and to have that threat you must win over the NMB. you think showing up unprepared is gonna help win over the NMB that management is the one delaying negotiations? how thick headed can you be? the only way to have credible threat of self help is if the NMB hints to management that release is a real possibility. we are probably further away from release than when NMB process started because we can't even get our sh*t together and come prepared and ready to go.




Well we should hire you KC for negotiations. All you have to do is grab the good stuff from Delta and United, copy and paste, print it out and we should have a contract! Why hasn't anybody thought of this before?? The NMB will totally agree that allegiant deserves Delta and United work rules, compensation, etc. and let us go on strike after a few months if management doesn't sign on the bottom line.

That is how negotiations with the NMB go right? or maybe, just maybe, the NMB mediator who was management at both spirit and frontier, doesn't necessarily think that allegiant and delta/united are peers - could that even be possible? but we fly the same airplanes so we deserve the same contract!

If you really think that the play is to just copy and paste united/delta contracts and then wait for management to sign or the NMB will release us then i've got a timeshare at swamp seeker resort in PGD to sell you. if that is AR's strategy then he just trying to further entrench himself as the mob boss of our little union.

Do you even know what is holding up the training sections? AR is asking for stuff that no one in the industry has - like the union being in charge of hiring instructors. but KC has all the answers
Industry standard or industry average includes all of the pax 320/737 operators that have a CBA. I feel like you've had this explained to you before but we can tell you have an agenda since you're ignoring that fact. That training section point is at least 6 months old, the latest does not include that. The union did start out really high but has been down to industry average for a while now, not the big 3 average but industry average. I can list all of these airlines for you? No the exco does not make half a million and didn't build his office on our dime. If he went back to the line IN IWA not PGD it would be a massive raise for much less work and more days off with a new CBA. Sorry but you're stuck with the current exco for 2 years then you can vote him out. Or maybe take the advice of the company post above mine and start an alpa drive in the middle of mediation, because that's a great idea. I don't think you're company but I know they absolutely enjoy your union busting agenda.
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Old 09-30-2023, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptOblivious
Maybe now is a good time to decertify and bring in ALPA. If we really are years away then letís get some experience in the room and send AR packing and commuting to PGD.
The Union has a very high standard for what they are willing to accept. Would you want to keep this same high demand with ALPA?
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Old 09-30-2023, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
The Union has a very high standard for what they are willing to accept. Would you want to keep this same high demand with ALPA?
the union can demand all they want, they are incapable of getting it because they donít understand how the NMB process works. They come unprepared to negotiations and leave early. NMB doesnít like that. And the only way to get real leverage is the credible threat of self help. Only way to threaten self help is if the NMB leans on the carrier so that release is a legitimate possibility. When that happens the carrier gets serious. Thatís how NMB and RLA works.

AR and his culinary lawyer are incapable of navigating NMB and we are missing out because of it.
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Old 09-30-2023, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by captnate702
the union can demand all they want, they are incapable of getting it because they donít understand how the NMB process works. They come unprepared to negotiations and leave early. NMB doesnít like that. And the only way to get real leverage is the credible threat of self help. Only way to threaten self help is if the NMB leans on the carrier so that release is a legitimate possibility. When that happens the carrier gets serious. Thatís how NMB and RLA works.

AR and his culinary lawyer are incapable of navigating NMB and we are missing out because of it.
The question wasnít really directed at you but since you answered it sounds like your issue is with AR and not Teamsters.
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Old 09-30-2023, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
The question wasnít really directed at you but since you answered it sounds like your issue is with AR and not Teamsters.
whatís the difference at this point? I blame the teamsters for letting AR run 2118 like a mob boss. The fact that IBT letís AR use a culinary attorney with no RLA experience or NMB experience to negotiate our contract is ridiculous.
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Old 09-30-2023, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by captnate702
whatís the difference at this point? I blame the teamsters for letting AR run 2118 like a mob boss. The fact that IBT lets AR use a culinary attorney with no RLA experience or NMB experience to negotiate our contract is ridiculous.
Hasnít the culinary attorney thing been addressed already?
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Old 10-01-2023, 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
Hasn’t the culinary attorney thing been addressed already?
One call……………thats all!!!!!!
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Old 10-01-2023, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
The Union has a very high standard for what they are willing to accept. Would you want to keep this same high demand with ALPA?
ALPA is infinitely better equipped to deal with the situation we are in. My suggestion to decertify may seem drastic but itís our only option to get rid of AR as he protected himself from a recall by the pilot group when he authored the bylaws. Classy move.

He says we are YEARS away, if thatís true then letís take the time now to get better organized and bring in the experience we need, ALPA is not perfect but I canít imagine anything being much worse than what we have currently.
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