Hiring Freeze until Fall 2018?
 

We are not even close to 10 CREWS per airplane. We are close to 10 PILOTS per airplane.


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This is a growth company, we will continue to grow and hire after the transition

Fleet plan by end of next year will be 82 planes. 6 crews per plane would be 984. There will be plenty of hiring during the transition.

So many alternate facts its hard to keep up

This is looking a little like 2011-2013, when hiring slowed to a crawl and upgrade jumped from 2 to 5+ years. Not saying this will come to pass, but wouldn’t be surprised.

How? Look at the 2018 headcount on G4Connect....

The headcount is all over the place for 2018. Expect to see Miami Air and Sun Country at a lot of our gates.

With attrition and lack of pilots showing up for new hire class I doubt Sun Country will be doing much sub flying. Tried to hire 8 in November and only 4 showed up. Jude has made it clear that the pay rates will be addressed in the next contract negotiations.... that’s not until 2020. I don’t think Sun Country will be around in 2020.

2020? Good lord. Yeah good luck with that. I had a friend who was an FO there leave to become a street Captain at Piedmont. What does that tell you.

I heard about him. Just resigned. I heard another FO left for Endeavor.. More pilots are leaving than they can hire. Their growth plan is going to be hard to accomplish with the substandard pay, schedules, and retirement.

....or perhaps their growth plan is to just be purchased by G4....

Doubt it,. SWA will just ATA them for the gates

December interviews. Looks like they may be running classes through the transition.

But the upcoming class list only shows December now. I could have sworn it used to have classes into next year.

This is good though. Zero reason to continue interviewing just to tell people “See ya in 4-6 months”.

So typical of this place, the left hand never knows what the right hand is doing and just when there's consensus... FP&A step in and change everything, but then flight ops complains and we end right back where we were before the entire process started.

Said interviews are no longer listed for December...maybe it was a mistake they were ever posted?

Feb class for new hires has already been cancelled. I really hope they put the class back on.

Air bus training is far behind, start time for IOE is 4 to 6 weeks ! plus Vegas has to be all Airbus by summer! this is the only reason for hiring freeze.

Any official word on this hiring freeze yet or when they plan to pick it back up?

Nope..focus is on the FA TA that just dropped...and probably won't pass.

Say reason? I bet it does

I also bet it will pass. It is a decent TA.

Every FA I've flown with said they were happy with it.

They need to get something on paper. It's probably not all they wanted, but there are some nice things in there (i.e. 1.3 for reroutes)

Scope issues and specific language that explicitly says the company can do whatever they want, if the contract does not preclude it. If (big IF) that specific statement is limited to the scope clause, then I can't see this getting voted down. However, if (and we know the company will do this) it is used against every section of the contract, then it will seriously kill many of the gains.

There is no points system listed, but if the company wanted to keep it, and the contract doesn't preclude them from doing so, then they are looking at a jumble of grievance issues that won't be rectified in any amount of reasonable time. Just look at our issues...they make up crap out of whole cloth and 15 months later we still haven't resolved issues that are pretty clear cut.

Absent the scope issue, I would think this is a pretty decent first contract...problem is, the company said one thing about the PCH issue and we are still waiting on arbitration and will probably lose.

Interesting. Not a single senior FA I've spoken to seems to be willing to vote for it. The only ones who say they're voting for it are the ones who haven't read it yet.

I dunno about the seniority issue, but I asked the 11 I have flown with over the last three days. 3 hard yes, 7 going to vote yes even though they don't like it, 1 hard no.

Of course, I wouldn't bet the house on this as the outcome and it isn't a double blind study and most likely not a representative spread, but since they released the details, it has been overwhelming yes (with a meh attitude) from the peeps I have flown with. However, the prevailing thought is to get something on paper.

I'm hearing the same...lots to not be happy about, but getting rid of "at will" and a few other things will be a slight improvement. Though, their union doesn't seem to be listening to much, just steaming full speed ahead.

At least now they will have a “status quo” if it passes just like the pilots for the next go around. Lets face it, the deck is stacked against labor in this industry as demonstrated time and time again.

Supposedly some significant financing, for this ridiculous monstrosity in FL, is contingent upon the passing of this TA. You know what that means. They NEED A DEAL and the FAs have a ton of leverage because of that.

I would be voting no. A senior FA getting guarantee (assuming 70 hours - I don’t know their rules) isn’t even grossing 40k.

If the company truly needs this done, there isn’t a chance in hell they should being voting this in. Given they came to the table with this deal, seemingly unannounced, I think it’s pretty safe to say they need it wrapped up.

FAs have leverage. Use it.

It’s going to pass.

The Sunseeker thing hinges on an FA contract that will barely cost the company a few million? How is that even credible, particularly since the plan is to sell a majority of the condos before even breaking ground, pretty much funding the thing outright? They should indeed vote no, but they don't have leverage against their hotel plan...anyone recall any rumors about brand new airplanes when our TA dropped?

The FA deal has nothing to do with the resort. It has everything to do with aircraft financing and potential mergers. Many things are going on behind the scenes right now.

I don’t recall new airplane rumors, yet that is exactly what happened. Again the company came to the pilots out of nowhere and came to a deal. They needed it for those planes. They showed up to the FA table with a deal, again out of nowhere.

I’m sure their BS is getting built regardless, yet you don’t think they could get say better interest rates or other terms by having contracts in place?

You really think it’s a coincidence the FAs and mechanics are all working on contracts right now?

There is a reason for it. They would continue to drag this out if there wasn’t.

I toss the BS flag on this. FA’s don’t cost much, and there would be no financing hanging in the balance. 150 hours a month (or whatever the workaholics do) @ 25 bucks an hour is nothing.

The company only needs a deal when the NMB releases them.

Mechanics aren't working on a contract. They barely just started their card drive.

I’m aware, but the company did approach them with an offer.

How 2009 of them.

I tend to agree with this statement. 2018 may be a very interesting year for us.

The silence from management has been deafening lately. The subtle hints during down halls about Sun Country were sending either meant to confuse or inform, but I doubt were an accident. There has been a lack of any major announcements or any significant expansion lately. Either Allegiant has plateaued or something big is in the works.