Cpstorm

Hey guys hope I don’t start anything FO here and happy however got one of those dream offers over at Delta. Really want to hear most guys thoughts. Is this still a stepping stone to a legacy or has the new contract changed peoples thoughts?

Tough to start over any thoughts? Relatively new to to Allegiant.

NotMrNiceGuy

Where do you live? Where do you and your family want to settle down?

ecam

Is this a serious post?

I'm no fan of Delta, but run and don't look back.

Think about the money you would leave on the table, over the course of your career, buy staying here. For what? To be home every night? What's to guarantee that remains? Lots of crack downs lately. This place isn't what it used to be. We may be saying spirit or frontier on the radio soon. If you have an offer from Delta, go.

mkfmbos

I don't work at Allegiant but I say go to Delta. Especially if you are below 40. Airlines like Allegiant will always claim to be in a lower tier, eventhough its BS thats what goes into all their negotiations. Which means lower pay, less benifits etc. Delta can never claim that lower tier BS.

At DL when things are good they are excellent. When things are bad they are just bad.

At companies like Allegiant, when things are good they are good. When things are bad, its terrible. Just look back 5-8 years.

But then again it all depends on what you want. Live in base, or commute. All I know is I have a few buddies at Legacy carriers, and it is not even a comparison. A friend of mine is clearing 15k this month on 2nd year FO pay staying in 5 star hotels. He had some pay protection conflicts and is working pretty hard but still. You choose your meal from a menu, all long call reserve, and they have "me too" clauses making sure they don't get left behind. More aircraft to bid onto, more routes, and right now upgrades ranging from 9 months to 6 years.

It is a no brainer for me.

JustWatching

I’ve been here for a long time. Not many can say they’ve been here longer than I have. I really enjoy working here. I make a very good living and I’m in my house every single night.

With that said, If you’re relatively new to Allegiant or even have 4 or 5 years under your belt here, you’re much better served by going to Delta. Work rules, pay, retirement, pass benefits..... the only concern I would have is when the next downturn happens (and it will), will you have enough below you to withstand the furlough? Always a risk in this business.

Good luck

Cpstorm

Thanks guys for all the replies. The commuting thing is not going to be an issue as I committed early on in this thing is to move where I am based.

I have enjoyed my time here so far but other then being home nightly I can’t see anything that we have that Delta does not. I just wanted to see if I was perhaps missing something.

And yeah I just started second year and a good friend of mine started second year there and his pay does blow mine out of the water. At first I thought butbwait you can upgrade on the MD in 3 years here then realized there upgrade on the MD is 1 year and then once again they blow our pay out of the water.

Kind of hope some folks in management see this post as I am sure I won’t be the only one presented with this choice in the years to come.

LoFly

Hit the nail on the head: I feel there will be a major industry overhaul as more and more low cost companies are looking at intl travel. The ones who will take the hardest hit are the big 3. On the other hand half of their pilots will be retiring in the next decade so... Are you going to be senior enough?
whatever you choose congrats for the offer and good luck!

KC135

I’d have to disagree here. Take a look at the last couple downturns. When things were bad at least you had a job. We are very quick to forget how legacies furloughed last decade, some twice while G4 did hire (B6 also) through most of that period and made a profit.


With that being said your decision will probably be a factor of your age, how you value money/qol and where you want to live. DAL would be a big hit in QOL but a large bump in pay, retirement and arguably stability. While DAL’s business model puts then in a position more likely to furlough during a downturn their massive amount upcoming retirements would most like offset this future risk in my opinion. Only you can determine your priorities in terms of QOL, pay and stability (hard to predict).

For me it was a top priority not to leave my family for 4-5 days at a time (yes DAL has a lot of 5 days, 15-43% of total A320 hours depending on domicile). Some of you bring up the point, well G4 could lose the day trips. Very unlikely due to the current model/CASM structure but always a possibilty with a merger/acquisition. Even if I only get 5-10 more years of day trips/being with my family and I have to go back to living 40-60% of my life in hotels it would have been all worth it. Everybody is different though, I have friends who enjoy a weekly getaway from their family life or are driven by max income and there is nothing wrong with that.

Der Meister

I made the move from G4 to DAL almost a year ago. One of the best decisions I ever made. I would say my QOL has improved significantly, because I can actually get the days off that I want with relative ease. Instead of the forced days off that I got with G4.

EALOFFSPRING

If you were hired on or before February 2016, leave. If not stay.