Skids off runway in FSD
04-10-2018, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by DENpilot
SPECI KFSD 081633Z 12017G27KT 1/4SM +SN FZFG VV006 M02/M04
A2981 RMK AO2 PK WND 14028/1607 TWR VIS 1/4 P0002
T10221039 RVRNO=
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...432Z/KLAS/KFSD
I don't know of any commercial aircraft with a crosswind limit of greater than 15 knots on a contaminated runway.... Yet, they were clearly landing runway 21, with a 17 G 27 direct crosswind... Even if the MD-80 has a x-wind limit higher than that... who would attempt landing on that garbage with heavy snow, 1/4 mi vis and no RVR??? No smart pilot would.....
Good job, guys. Lucky you didn't kill anyone.
A2981 RMK AO2 PK WND 14028/1607 TWR VIS 1/4 P0002
T10221039 RVRNO=
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...432Z/KLAS/KFSD
I don't know of any commercial aircraft with a crosswind limit of greater than 15 knots on a contaminated runway.... Yet, they were clearly landing runway 21, with a 17 G 27 direct crosswind... Even if the MD-80 has a x-wind limit higher than that... who would attempt landing on that garbage with heavy snow, 1/4 mi vis and no RVR??? No smart pilot would.....
Good job, guys. Lucky you didn't kill anyone.
According to that, I would have also shot the approach.
04-10-2018, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by DENpilot
SPECI KFSD 081633Z 12017G27KT 1/4SM +SN FZFG VV006 M02/M04
A2981 RMK AO2 PK WND 14028/1607 TWR VIS 1/4 P0002
T10221039 RVRNO=
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...432Z/KLAS/KFSD
I don't know of any commercial aircraft with a crosswind limit of greater than 15 knots on a contaminated runway.... Yet, they were clearly landing runway 21, with a 17 G 27 direct crosswind... Even if the MD-80 has a x-wind limit higher than that... who would attempt landing on that garbage with heavy snow, 1/4 mi vis and no RVR??? No smart pilot would.....
Good job, guys. Lucky you didn't kill anyone.
A2981 RMK AO2 PK WND 14028/1607 TWR VIS 1/4 P0002
T10221039 RVRNO=
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...432Z/KLAS/KFSD
I don't know of any commercial aircraft with a crosswind limit of greater than 15 knots on a contaminated runway.... Yet, they were clearly landing runway 21, with a 17 G 27 direct crosswind... Even if the MD-80 has a x-wind limit higher than that... who would attempt landing on that garbage with heavy snow, 1/4 mi vis and no RVR??? No smart pilot would.....
Good job, guys. Lucky you didn't kill anyone.
Hey DENpilot was this you?
I mean really. Who shoots an approach in the heaviest freezing rain storm anyone can remember?
Good job guys. Lucky you didn't kill anyone.
04-10-2018, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by DENpilot
SPECI KFSD 081633Z 12017G27KT 1/4SM +SN FZFG VV006 M02/M04
A2981 RMK AO2 PK WND 14028/1607 TWR VIS 1/4 P0002
T10221039 RVRNO=
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...432Z/KLAS/KFSD
I don't know of any commercial aircraft with a crosswind limit of greater than 15 knots on a contaminated runway.... Yet, they were clearly landing runway 21, with a 17 G 27 direct crosswind... Even if the MD-80 has a x-wind limit higher than that... who would attempt landing on that garbage with heavy snow, 1/4 mi vis and no RVR??? No smart pilot would.....
Good job, guys. Lucky you didn't kill anyone.
A2981 RMK AO2 PK WND 14028/1607 TWR VIS 1/4 P0002
T10221039 RVRNO=
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...432Z/KLAS/KFSD
I don't know of any commercial aircraft with a crosswind limit of greater than 15 knots on a contaminated runway.... Yet, they were clearly landing runway 21, with a 17 G 27 direct crosswind... Even if the MD-80 has a x-wind limit higher than that... who would attempt landing on that garbage with heavy snow, 1/4 mi vis and no RVR??? No smart pilot would.....
Good job, guys. Lucky you didn't kill anyone.
Originally Posted by DENpilot
Even more interesting.... the ILS to runway 21 cannot be shot without at least 1/2 mile vis....
All I did is listen to the LiveATC archive -- and guess what I found:
Minutes before approach they were given a runway condition code of 5/5/5. Which means - WET - not contaminated - good braking action.
A few minutes before landing they were given the latest weather - Crosswind GUST didn't even exceed 20 knots. Runway 21 RVR TDZ (only controlling one for CAT1) of 1800.
And wouldn't you know, the approach chart for the ILS to 21 requires 1800 RVR.
So let me ask you, what would a "smart pilot" do? Not land on a runway that they are legal to per the most up to date information they were given?
Again, please do a few seconds of research before publicly calling out a fellow professional.
04-10-2018, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ecam
https://www.abc15.com/news/national/...-to-icy-runway
Hey DENpilot was this you?
I mean really. Who shoots an approach in the heaviest freezing rain storm anyone can remember?
Good job guys. Lucky you didn't kill anyone.
Hey DENpilot was this you?
I mean really. Who shoots an approach in the heaviest freezing rain storm anyone can remember?
Good job guys. Lucky you didn't kill anyone.
Glad to see you know what's a Frontier airplane and what's not.
Horrible attempt at humor.
04-10-2018, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DENpilot
Even more interesting.... the ILS to runway 21 cannot be shot without at least 1/2 mile vis....
04-10-2018, 08:39 AM
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There but for the grace of God go I.
Landing in DTW a few winters ago with a strong cross wind. We were the first one in after the runway cleared was cleared and were assured MU's better than 40. After touching down on 4R my feet went to the floor on the brakes and... we didn't slow down. Tower asked if we could make 9L. Nope. Y5? Nope. Finally slowed enough to make Y7. I told the tower braking action was poor at best, but I guess they didn't believe me. Big Blue Airbus landed after me and didn't get slowed until the end. He told them it was NIL. They believed him and shut it down.
Landing in DTW a few winters ago with a strong cross wind. We were the first one in after the runway cleared was cleared and were assured MU's better than 40. After touching down on 4R my feet went to the floor on the brakes and... we didn't slow down. Tower asked if we could make 9L. Nope. Y5? Nope. Finally slowed enough to make Y7. I told the tower braking action was poor at best, but I guess they didn't believe me. Big Blue Airbus landed after me and didn't get slowed until the end. He told them it was NIL. They believed him and shut it down.
04-10-2018, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DENpilot
Even more interesting.... the ILS to runway 21 cannot be shot without at least 1/2 mile vis....
04-10-2018, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by mizza21
Glad to see you know what's a Frontier airplane and what's not.
Horrible attempt at humor.
Horrible attempt at humor.
The article shows a picture of a 170 but states, "None of the 139 passengers on the flight from Denver was injured and the airplane never left the pavement..."
Reading is hard.
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