chickenorbeef

I think the timeline for the potential assessment is too infinite. An assessment with shorter “bites”, ie. a one year time frame, with the opportunity to re-vote a continuation or expiration of it after that shorter time frame would have been more appropriate. An assessment till the next contract is signed? Take a good-hard-look at what is going on at Frontier. This assessment will drag on for 5-7+ years if its voted in. Teamsters need to be smarter with the money they get now, not keep asking for more. (Sounds like government). What they are making now should be supportive. If a CA averages $350/mo and FO $150/mo in dues, x450= $225,000/mo in dues. (And with the potential to add a bunch more pilots in the next couple of years will inflate this even more).
Timeline is too vague. Its a No.

labbats

Anyone voting no doesn’t understand the resources necessary to offset the philosophy of a company like ours.

Most airlines average 20-30 grievances a month. We average 120-130. That is by design. If you vote no then you are succumbing to the plan to wear down the union.

The company and not the union is responsible for this assessment.

CAirBear

This. All day long. This is extremely important. They have my full support.

The more we win (and continue to win) grievances/arbitration’s, eventually some of these morons (you can hope) in HQ will stop or slow down with this BS already.

FreshWater

I like how you conflate the assessment with the Teamsters and Government. The assesement is controlled directly by and for the benefit of the Allegiant pilot group exclusively, not the teamsters general fund. The assessment is not infinite. It can be rolled back by our exco anytime our exco chooses to do so. The exco is appointed by the membership. The assessment ends when a new contract is signed. We weren’t supposed to get this contract before the end of the century.

An exact end date to the assessment is as dumb an idea as telling your enemy when we are going to pull our troops out. All management has to do is wait us out, which they would. IMO Captain Kinzer was wrongfully terminated over two years ago by an overzealous and out of control flight ops and strategically handled by g4’s legal to keep him on the streets penniless for the rest of his life, was aided by Teamster attorneys. Imagine if the lawyers who were representing Jason Kinzer told g4 management that they only had about a year until they would stop pursueing the case?

The pilot group thus far has reaped the benefits of defending itself with dues we pay now. Including the Kinzer settlement, which I would guess is not less than ten million dollars and the arbitration awards we have won thus far has paid the rest of the pilot group as well.

Pilot growth at this airline? Look around, no airplanes on order. But, I hear we’re getting some sweet go-carts. Given the fact that g4 is not interested in growing the airline, but instead is focused on turning us into ‘Travel company’ employees, not airline pilots. There will be no significant growth of the pilot group.

It’s a yes.

KC135

We can get our union leadership to put out a vote to end the assessment at any time if we feel it is dragging on to long and/or becomes unnecessary.

9easy

So if the negotiations do drag out 5-7 years, ala Frontier, doesn't it stand to reason that the union will need continued $$$$ to fund this fight? People who have a problem with this assessment are being extremely short sighted. Every dollar spent helping the EXCO fight for the next contract will reap multiples times the money in return.

SladeTin

Agree 100%. Our EXCO needs every dollar they can get their hands on to try and battle this management group that has decided to blatantly disregard pretty much our entire contract. It’s a solid YES vote for me.

tom11011

How do we measure success and return on investment? How is it decided which bank account (Teamsters or Pilots) money will come out of for a grievance?

akulahunter

First, this should be on the official FB page, not here...

Second, although I voted yes, the actual wording of what the assessment dues can be used for is extremely open-ended. I can see why some people have an issue.

Third, again I voted for it, but we will never, as a pilot group, be able to raise enough money to battle the company if they want to keep fighting this and up the ante. (G4 writes our checks and has MUCH bigger pockets...) This money is to help negotiate and help pay the lawyers that are fighting our grievances... (I'll leave my opinion on that out of this)

If you are against it, vote no. If you are for it, vote yes. If you want to have a constructive conversation, do it on the FB page not here...

tom11011

Not everyone has a facebook account.