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Old 11-19-2018, 06:32 AM
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Grist for the mill....rumors abound that the Training Dept is headed for a shutdown a la Jan 2014 after the 25% failure rate for the Aug class...
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Old 11-19-2018, 07:57 AM
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We have a train by ridicule, unprofessional, egotistical training department. My first RFT after FCOM showed me this and it has been reinforced each time I’ve went back.
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Old 11-19-2018, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by G4er View Post
We have a train by ridicule, unprofessional, egotistical training department. My first RFT after FCOM showed me this and it has been reinforced each time I’ve went back.
Interesting. I had one guy for a couple of sim sessions that was like that, but everyone I’ve dealt with since has been fantastic. I’ve heard numerous stories similar to yours though so they must be out there. I guess I’ve been lucky.
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Old 11-19-2018, 09:18 AM
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Those of us who have been on the Airbus for a while have always said it. The AB training department is a fiefdom run by people trying to exert authority, power and ego. It had always been a case of "I'm going to prove i'm better/smarter than you" and "Haha you have to get past me if you want to keep your job". Training has always consisted of minutea that's mostly useless online and full of gotcha items. Most pilots I know dread coming to training and treat their job like its a 6 month employment contract because you never know. Most say they studied everything they were told to study then felt like they didn't study or told that. A lot seems to depend on the APD, what kind of day they are having, and whether they think you deserve it or not. It is all way too subjective. We need AQP here. But any reforms will be good. A shutdown by the FAA might bring useful change. Safety is degraded when the training culture is toxic and training feels like a punishment instead of a learning experience. That is what we have right now. Toxic culture.
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Old 11-19-2018, 08:09 PM
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It's a pity, because post 2014, the MD80 training department was very consistent, professional, but rigorous when needed. But there was never any big-timing by the instructors or APD. All the times pilots saved the company from disaster on the MD80 pretty much proves that it worked.
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Old 11-20-2018, 05:40 AM
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These negative reports on the training department have not been my experience. I recently completed a long-term training event on the Airbus side and my experience with nearly all of the instructors was very positive.

It has been my experience that the trainee’s attitude largely dictates the training experience. My partner and I kept it positive and everything went very well, despite neither of us being perfect.
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Old 11-20-2018, 12:04 PM
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Those of us who have been on the Airbus for a while have always said it. The AB training department is a fiefdom run by people trying to exert authority, power and ego. It had always been a case of "I'm going to prove i'm better/smarter than you" and "Haha you have to get past me if you want to keep your job". Training has always consisted of minutea that's mostly useless online and full of gotcha items. Most pilots I know dread coming to training and treat their job like its a 6 month employment contract because you never know. Most say they studied everything they were told to study then felt like they didn't study or told that. A lot seems to depend on the APD, what kind of day they are having, and whether they think you deserve it or not. It is all way too subjective. We need AQP here. But any reforms will be good. A shutdown by the FAA might bring useful change. Safety is degraded when the training culture is toxic and training feels like a punishment instead of a learning experience. That is what we have right now. Toxic culture.
The AQP necessity pretty much sums up what we see here...I remember when the guy that was supposed to be ginning up the AQP program suddenly became the prime salesman for that idiotic ADAPT nonsense...two failures that continue to plague this company. Apparently, the FCOM nonsense is a reprise on this theme?
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Old 11-20-2018, 12:45 PM
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1) AQP is coming

2) I study and have never felt threatened in a training event

3) I've flown with and heard of folks who fail who are lazy, don't prepare, have a lax attitude, etc etc etc.

4) FAA shutdown over failure rate?! That's laughable. Take a look at some of the names on the training list. I assumed it would be higher than 25%. I know several in that class personally. One who failed said it was a legit bust and purely on him.

Show up prepared, put in the work, do your job right and you won't fail. Simple as that. And I'm pretty sure no one has been fired lately.
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Old 11-20-2018, 01:34 PM
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To say that our Airbus instructors or examiners are out to get people is ludicrous. While we certainly have some people instructing that have no business instructing and the program in general is chaotic, people do not fail the type ride for any reason other than their own mistakes.

There are certain people, as was alluded to above, that were likely to have issues during training, and they have. There are other people who just have a momentary lapse in judgement or skill and fail the ride. It’s a part 61 ride and requires 100% completion with no retrains. That’s not on the APD...

Now, we can talk about leadership and have a nice conversation about needed changes.
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Old 11-20-2018, 04:05 PM
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To say that our Airbus instructors or examiners are out to get people is ludicrous. While we certainly have some people instructing that have no business instructing and the program in general is chaotic, people do not fail the type ride for any reason other than their own mistakes.

There are certain people, as was alluded to above, that were likely to have issues during training, and they have. There are other people who just have a momentary lapse in judgement or skill and fail the ride. It’s a part 61 ride and requires 100% completion with no retrains. That’s not on the APD...

Now, we can talk about leadership and have a nice conversation about needed changes.

Sure. AQP ASAP!!!!!!. I personal have learned more when I was on an AQP program then showing up once a year having to do a check ride. Absolutely NO EXCUSE to not have this now!!! Invest in making pilots better everyday!!!!! With that said I’ve never failed a check ride in my career. Knock on wood.....
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