Base Seniority
07-28-2019, 10:43 AM
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Second query; what became of OAK? Are those families now pulling their kids out of school and moving to BLH or LAX? And if OAK can not be sustained, what is the next base on the chopping block? Seems like shaky ground for folks wanting the west coast unless your willing to wait in Vegas for the west coast to shake off.
07-28-2019, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by FlightMonster
Sooo.. Hypothetically, once a base is filled with its required folks, (senior to you) there will be no opportunity to move to said base until some one leaves? Also, seems as though folks that have been Allegiant for more than four years, and are in base they like, ain’t going anywhere. And, what if you’re the junior guy at a base and Mr senior stuff decides to move to your base - are you then displaced and forced to move to a new base?
That’s not far off, but many bases do have limited movement of guys that decide to chase seniority. Some bases have more than others. BLI for example hasn’t changed much in a long time other than the occasional junior captain or FO deciding to move to another base to get better seniority.
You can only move to a base if there is an opening in that base including “Mr Senior Stuff”. The only exception is if a base or seat position is eliminated. Then a vacancy bid will be run and in that instance a senior guy can displace a junior guy out of base or position. In the recent OAK closure two guys system wide got displaced by guys coming from OAK.
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07-28-2019, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by FlightMonster
Second query; what became of OAK? Are those families now pulling their kids out of school and moving to BLH or LAX? And if OAK can not be sustained, what is the next base on the chopping block? Seems like shaky ground for folks wanting the west coast unless your willing to wait in Vegas for the west coast to shake off.
OAK guys were displaced throughout the system. Wherever they bid that their seniority could hold. OAK was fairly junior and many guys there commuted, but yes some guys were forced to uproot their families.
Coming to Allegiant for a West Coast Base is a tough proposition. At this moment there is no West Coast growth and it would be a long time to see an upgrade at any West Coast Base.
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07-28-2019, 01:09 PM
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I know BNA and ABE are officially announced now and show an opening date of Feb 2020, but I've heard conflicting information on that. Someone has been told that BNA would be open in Oct 2019, but it's possible that was just misconstrued as the opening bid being then (don't know how far out you guys bid)
I again appreciate all the info on these pages, esp the seniority dates and numbers per base, very helpful. Has it been announced yet how big BNA will be? Thanks.
I again appreciate all the info on these pages, esp the seniority dates and numbers per base, very helpful. Has it been announced yet how big BNA will be? Thanks.
07-28-2019, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by CptGSXR
I know BNA and ABE are officially announced now and show an opening date of Feb 2020, but I've heard conflicting information on that. Someone has been told that BNA would be open in Oct 2019, but it's possible that was just misconstrued as the opening bid being then (don't know how far out you guys bid)
I again appreciate all the info on these pages, esp the seniority dates and numbers per base, very helpful. Has it been announced yet how big BNA will be? Thanks.
I again appreciate all the info on these pages, esp the seniority dates and numbers per base, very helpful. Has it been announced yet how big BNA will be? Thanks.
We bid for vacancies 4-6 months out. So, the BNA bid will open September 2019 for award dates in 02/2020.
BNA will open with 2 airplanes and 10-12 pilots in each seat.
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07-28-2019, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by skydisaster
Everyone is always asking how long it would take to hold XYZ Base. I thought I would help sort through the data. I compiled the numbers of pilots in each base along with the most senior and junior in each position in each base. This is the July 2019 numbers.
Keep in mind a couple of things.
- Because of the seasonal nature of flying here, the seniority fluctuates a decent amounts in certain months. I will try to update this seasonally so that you can see the trends.
- VBDs and TDYs are included in the current bases that they are bidding. I did not break them out separately.
Keep in mind a couple of things.
- Because of the seasonal nature of flying here, the seniority fluctuates a decent amounts in certain months. I will try to update this seasonally so that you can see the trends.
- VBDs and TDYs are included in the current bases that they are bidding. I did not break them out separately.
I, too, am among the interested parties seeking to remain on the West Coast.
07-28-2019, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by koala98g
I’m sure this is a wild assumption, but here it is anyway: I imagine management would prefer to have equal numbers of CAs and FOs in each base. If true, there are a number of vacancies before considering any growth. For example, BLI is short an FO, and LAS is short 4. Does the seasonal nature of flying somehow account for the mismatches, or perhaps my basic assumption is just wrong?
I, too, am among the interested parties seeking to remain on the West Coast.
I, too, am among the interested parties seeking to remain on the West Coast.
Generally, there will be slightly more captains than FOs because of increased number of vacation weeks that you accrue is you get more senior.
In addition to that instructors are included in the numbers for each base. They can either be on the flying schedule for a given month or on the training department schedule. This will change the captain to FO ratios somewhat from month to month.
Also in the most seasonal bases the company will float the numbers up and down throughout the year as attrition and base movement happens. For example, LAX is 3 airplanes in the summer and 2 in the winter. If someone bids out of LAX in the fall, they won’t be replaced until the next summer. This can also cause captain to FO ratios to be out of line.
Based on the last few vacancy bids, there is probably 3 vacancies in LAS and 1 in BLI. LAS is your best bet to getting a West Coast Base.
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07-28-2019, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by skydisaster
Generally, there will be slightly more captains than FOs because of increased number of vacation weeks that you accrue is you get more senior.
In addition to that instructors are included in the numbers for each base. They can either be on the flying schedule for a given month or on the training department schedule. This will change the captain to FO ratios somewhat from month to month.
Also in the most seasonal bases the company will float the numbers up and down throughout the year as attrition and base movement happens. For example, LAX is 3 airplanes in the summer and 2 in the winter. If someone bids out of LAX in the fall, they won’t be replaced until the next summer. This can also cause captain to FO ratios to be out of line.
Based on the last few vacancy bids, there is probably 3 vacancies in LAS and 1 in BLI. LAS is your best bet to getting a West Coast Base.
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In addition to that instructors are included in the numbers for each base. They can either be on the flying schedule for a given month or on the training department schedule. This will change the captain to FO ratios somewhat from month to month.
Also in the most seasonal bases the company will float the numbers up and down throughout the year as attrition and base movement happens. For example, LAX is 3 airplanes in the summer and 2 in the winter. If someone bids out of LAX in the fall, they won’t be replaced until the next summer. This can also cause captain to FO ratios to be out of line.
Based on the last few vacancy bids, there is probably 3 vacancies in LAS and 1 in BLI. LAS is your best bet to getting a West Coast Base.
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