andili61

With this new wave of new hires, any idea how many pilots exactly will Allegiant be hiring? I heard 100, some say 100 plus. that plus would be in the low 100's or the high 100's. What numbers seem to be the ball park? How many upgrades will be coming up? Thanks.

wilco811

The real answer is nobody knows

Beretta01

I’ve heard 270 by March from multiple people in the training department.

KC135

I don’t think it’s unrealistic to see the list double in the next 5 years. Over 600 new routes have been identified, finding planes and the looming economic recession are the x factors.

navy1998

I know they just announced 2 new bases but with upwards of 200+ new hires, I assume that there will be significant growth in routes from other bases also. Have the details been released at all as to what this growth will look like?

Direct Law

With 270 new hires if your in the first 2 classes any guesses on how long a upgrade could be if you relocate to any base

WhiteMorpheus

The math isn't difficult...

With attrition at 2.5-5.0 per month and ~900 pilots on the seniority list, assuming 50 pilots senior to you are perpetually inactive for management/medical/military/etc, that leaves 850 pilots. If classes are 24 and you are in the third class, bring it back to a nice even 900.

If a 600 seniority number can hold CA at the most junior base(not sure that's anywhere close), you need to gain 300 spots. At an averaged attrition rate of 3.33 per month, it would be 90 months to upgrade (with no additional planes).

Each new plane adds ~6 Captains, so every new plane knocks about 2 months off the above down-and-dirty estimate. After 2 years of 10 plane/yr growth, you'd be looking at about 2 more years to upgrade for a total of about 4-5 years. If 10/yr is sustained, it could be more like 3 years to upgrade.

Disclaimer: I don't work for Allegiant, so I could be mixing the numbers up.

AAfng

What are those new bases? Could someone live 2hrs from a domicile?

SladeTin

Talked about in numerous other threads, but new bases are GRR and ABE. No way would a 2 hour daily commute work. Reserve call out is 90 minutes, which makes 60 minutes the most realistic mark that you could live from the airport.

ecam

Sounds good on paper but the most recent seniority list has 859 pilots including the management and training people.

Most of the attrition has been from the bottom. A newhire would rise to a certain level, then stop rising because very few CAs actually leave here. We only have a handful of retirements per year. The theory of counting attrition to determine upgrade time is junk science. There's no way to determine whether those people leave are above or below you since company doesn't put this out. I guess you could compare the list every month but that would be exhausting.

Upgrade time at this company is hard to peg because a lot of FOs will hold out for CA or even a line holding CA in the base they live. Others will take first upgrade anywhere. Looking at the wish list they put out when bids are open maybe 100 FOs will take any CA position. Those are the ones you need to count. I think ABE will go very junior for CAs. Wouldn't be surprised to see 2016 or even 2017 hires there. A new hire in August can probably expect a realistic upgrade of 3-5 years but only if management keeps their word and hasn't been blowing smoke. They have a history of overblowing good news and burying bad news. We lost a bunch of planes we were supposed to get this year and management turned around and spun it as we didn't want them anyhow. So you never know. Someone hired at the back of this hiring spurt can expect a long stagnation period until the next hiring spurt.

I don't believe we will hire anything near 250 pilots and i don't see this pilot group doubling unless we merge. The new VP is wide eyed and bushy tailed but I think she's overstating optimistic news to win hearts and minds. Which seems to be working. The kool aid is flowing and pilots are guzzling it.