cezzna

What is realistic pay years 1-5? How does the 401k work? Thanks, have an interview in March.

labbats

Seems all this is answered with a click onto another part of this same website.

Looking forward to showing you where to find a checklist when you get online.

KC135

It really depends on how hard you work. I’ve credited 1200 on reserve and also as a line holder but worked a lot to do that. 1000 is more normal as a line holder or 870 on reserve if you never pick up anything extra. Just take the pay rates on APC and multiply by those annual credit numbers above then add 10% for 401k and 5-7% profit sharing. The contract expires July 2021 so your question depends on how long negotiation takes. Also upgrade is hard to predict but 3 years is possible for a new hire if you’re willing to move to the newest base in 3 years but I wouldn’t budget or plan on that. Hope that helps.

LoFly

I'd say it mostly depends on where you are based, then how hard you want to work because, like my case, if you are in one of those senior bases or one of those that are getting all their flying stolen from the micro-bases they're opening, you will be stuck a the bottom on a reserve line with tue, wed and sat off, days where there's nothing to pick up pretty much anywhere, or the few 2-3-4 hours pay trips in other bases aren't commutable, or you're not legal for. And you'll make min guarantee every single month.
Which means 50k your first year, 87k your second year, 92k your third, to finally hit 100k your fourth. And good luck waiting for upgrade.

cezzna

Thanks guys, sounds like the first few years are tough. I would try to get CVG, not sure how stagnant that base is.

Desert Sky

The above figures are crazy. You will make 6 figures easily if you're not on reserve or if you pick up a lot on reserve.

mountainflying

130k/yr not including 401k both second and third year fo. Summers busy, rest of year steady but not burned out. 2nd year large base. 3rd year small base

KIGECA97531

401k company matches contributions 200% up to 8%. No DC plan (yet).

KIGECA97531

First year $56.53/hr, 72 hr reserve guarantee = $48,842
2nd year $102.05/hr, 80hr line holder = $97,968
3rd year $110.73/hr, 80hr line holder = $106,300

By 3rd year, you'd be at least 50% up the FO list anywhere except BLI or IWA so you could easily credit a lot more, depending on how you bid and if you pick up. There are plenty of opportunities to pick up reserve shifts even first year, so these numbers are very conservative. Coming from any regional, you'd easily surpass what you were making before by 3rd year. February newhires are probably looking at a 4-5 year upgrade if nothing changes.

KIGECA97531

Also keep in mind, in our contract anything above 81 hours is paid at 130% (premium pay). So if you fly 90 hours credit, the last 9 hours of that is paid at 130% your rate. With some seniority, you could easily credit 90+ and still have 15 days off in most bases. Unfortunately, current company opinion is that pure reserve lines don't pay premium, because the company only adds value to a reserve day if you drop it (3.75 hours) or pick one up on an off day, A typical reserve line would have 12 days off, so in a 30 day month, that's 67.5 hours of credit. They don't count this credit toward your 81 hours unless you actually FLY that amount. Just another petty, vindictive stepping over dollars to pick up pennies thing they do. You'll see a lot of that mentality if you come here.

This company more than most airlines, seniority is everything. If you're junior, your life sucks, if you're senior, it's the best job ever. Our contract is greatly weighted in favor of the senior, and I don't see that changing.