LoFly

I don't think them trying to differentiate and going into the resort business is a bad idea, it will bring more flying into the state in one way or another, which is ultimately good for us... same thing for the family fun centers.
it definitely very much sucks that now it's about the worst time in history for an airline to have any expense other than planes and staff.

KIGECA97531

That's why they don't take live questions any more. That question will never make it through the censors.

FreshWater

It was an okay idea, but not for an airline. We’re an airline not a hotel operator. History has shown that when airlines deviate from that, in never has worked out. Because MG is always trying to devalue the pilot group as “Travel Company”; “I.T. support staff facilitators” etc. employees he let his ego deviate from the airline business that we are. Sunseeker was well on its way to be a $billion of our company’s money. If it had produced the synergies that they kept trying to convince us of, that was a decade probably more until it produced any kind of profit. The time frame is so long out that certainly there was going to be downturn within that timeframe.

canuckian

A couple of companies successfully doing both for decades.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunwing_Travel_Group


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transat_A.T.

FreshWater

Which part 121 schedule(d) airline do they wholly own and operate?

canuckian

They’re both Canadian. Air Transat and Sunwing.
Sunwing shares some similarities to Allegiant. They are single type (737) and serve smaller Canadian cities with no competition to seasonal destinations. They own a lot of the hotels and resorts that they feed.

FreshWater

A private equity group which is not publicly viewable. We don’t know how much money they have been willing to sink into their projects.

KIGECA97531

Sunwing is more like Sun Country than Allegiant. In fact, they're exactly like Sun Country in terms of operations, size, and scope.

Air Transat is more like TUI or the late Thomas Cook in Europe. Taking people on "holiday". They just got bought out by Air Canada.

You're comparing apples to maple syrup.

KIGECA97531

So 96 pilots took the ETO (49 CA, 47 FO) and seniority was across the spectrum from super senior to super junior. The union sold this as an optional thing for anyone who doesn't feel like working during a pandemic, but obviously it will save the company money. The question is will it save them enough to make a difference? That's a little under 10% of all pilots. I'm sure it will be more popular in the following months when everyone is on reserve or composite at guarantee. It would be nice if the company would share their plan for taking the bailout or not, instead of emails like TT's the other night that are only intended to spread FUD and set us up for concessions. The real question is if they are going to let FH keep running this company, to their peril. If they stop that nonsense and just resolve to work together with the unionized employees, we have a chance to pull through this and come out stronger than ever. If they keep following the FH union busting agenda and use this as an opportunity to chip away at our pay and benefits, the company is doomed. The decisions they make in the next few weeks will be the deciding factor. I hope they choose wisely.

FreshWater

He had to really reach for that one. Bottom line MG and JR screwed the pooch on Sunseeker. That waste of millions is coming out of their pockets not ours. Management is in the beginning propaganda stage of setting us up for, “Jee, we don’t wanna furlough if it wasn’t for your union contract”. For the next several weeks it will be a constant barrage of we ain't gonna make it unless..