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08-19-2020, 05:36 PM
#21
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Joined APC: May 2009
Position: pilot
Posts: 584
If this furlough happens I’m guaranteed to be bumped out. I would prefer the union protect the contract so I have a career worth returning to. It won’t be the first time I’ve been furloughed. I’ll find a way to keep the bills paid.
08-20-2020, 05:23 PM
#22
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Joined APC: Aug 2020
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 647
Originally Posted by KC135
Most stopped reading at 45 hours and don't see that as being a fair offer, not to mention the seniority issue.
LCC/ULCC are at 50 hours or more and some legacy 55.
LCC/ULCC are at 50 hours or more and some legacy 55.
08-20-2020, 06:04 PM
#23
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: Airbus CA
Posts: 910
You want "Plan B?" Then just do it. Furlough, downgrade, base consolidation, bump-and-flush bid. Just do it. Set the airline back 3-4 years. I heard back-of-the-envelope estimate many many hundreds of training events will be triggered. Moving expenses. And when they want to spool up, think in terms of years not months. Go ahead and back yourself into a corner.
08-21-2020, 08:50 AM
#24
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 2,939
Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
You want "Plan B?" Then just do it. Furlough, downgrade, base consolidation, bump-and-flush bid. Just do it. Set the airline back 3-4 years. I heard back-of-the-envelope estimate many many hundreds of training events will be triggered. Moving expenses. And when they want to spool up, think in terms of years not months. Go ahead and back yourself into a corner.
08-21-2020, 09:41 AM
#25
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Joined APC: Aug 2020
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 647
Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
You want "Plan B?" Then just do it. Furlough, downgrade, base consolidation, bump-and-flush bid. Just do it. Set the airline back 3-4 years. I heard back-of-the-envelope estimate many many hundreds of training events will be triggered. Moving expenses. And when they want to spool up, think in terms of years not months. Go ahead and back yourself into a corner.
Growth might be real slow which concerns me for the bottom 200, I think the furlough might last longer than just 6-9 months.
08-21-2020, 10:11 AM
#26
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Joined APC: May 2011
Posts: 30
Originally Posted by captnate702
I don’t think MG is concerned about setting the airline back I terms of total growth. He’s been consistent on earnings calls since 2017 that he does not want a scenario where we buy planes just buy planes (hence SS swampland). Management would rather fly less and have the highest operating margin in the world (something they love to brag about) than fly more and have a more modest op margin. When NK and F9 were adding huge orders of neos, MG told investors that he’s not interested in an “arms race” and then proceeded to sell them on SS swampland.
Growth might be real slow which concerns me for the bottom 200, I think the furlough might last longer than just 6-9 months.
Growth might be real slow which concerns me for the bottom 200, I think the furlough might last longer than just 6-9 months.
08-21-2020, 11:33 AM
#27
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Joined APC: May 2009
Position: pilot
Posts: 584
Originally Posted by captnate702
I don’t think MG is concerned about setting the airline back I terms of total growth. He’s been consistent on earnings calls since 2017 that he does not want a scenario where we buy planes just buy planes (hence SS swampland). Management would rather fly less and have the highest operating margin in the world (something they love to brag about) than fly more and have a more modest op margin. When NK and F9 were adding huge orders of neos, MG told investors that he’s not interested in an “arms race” and then proceeded to sell them on SS swampland.
Growth might be real slow which concerns me for the bottom 200, I think the furlough might last longer than just 6-9 months.
Growth might be real slow which concerns me for the bottom 200, I think the furlough might last longer than just 6-9 months.
08-21-2020, 12:06 PM
#28
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: Airbus CA
Posts: 910
Originally Posted by rdneckpilot
I don’t think we get furloughed at all if they plan to bring us back in a few months. I’m expecting to be waiting a minimum of 18 months to get called back.
08-21-2020, 04:42 PM
#29
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 381
Originally Posted by AvPilot
This concerns me greatly. Generally a higher profit margin will increase investor confidence which then drives up share prices. MG possess an awfully large amount of shares which directly correlates to his wealth.
08-22-2020, 12:52 PM
#30
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Posts: 549
Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
unfortunately probably true......the training footprint alone could stretch beyond a year to retrain 200+ recalls.
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