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Old 04-27-2017, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF View Post
It's already been accepted.
Tell that to some of the guys on C&R. Lots of threads with guys calling for the union to say no.

Sounds like it was negotiated by the union in the first place. Good on them. That's progress!
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Old 04-27-2017, 02:20 PM
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Tell that to some of the guys on C&R. Lots of threads with guys calling for the union to say no.

Sounds like it was negotiated by the union in the first place. Good on them. That's progress!
You mean to tell me there are guys on C&R that are not only angry, but short-sided and have their head firmly planted in their rectum?
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Old 04-28-2017, 12:10 PM
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Wow! I made this thread wondering if these tactics were going to pay any dividends and few hours later, here we are. Obviously there are other things that need to be fixed, but I won't ignore that this is a gain. Now, I wouldn't be a pilot if I didn't ask, 'Can we get it retroactive?'
That's funny and accurate at the same time.

I'm glad you brought this thread up. I do think that no float was a success. There were a few more prime weeks available in round two than the previous year but the real deal was the added burden on the company of pilots actually taking themselves off the schedule for vacation. There's a lot of manpower saved when pilots float, particularly since we can't pick up flying on vacation or the footprint of trips dropped for vacation (the latter not an issue under PBS).

So now we see Parker reversing course and giving a pay rate raise when he had firmly stated no mid contract bump and 'you get what you negotiate'. Why yes, Doug, you do. You get what you pay for. Non motivated employees will do just the minimum. And in this business, if you only do your job as a pilot the place will meltdown on its own. Reality is, pilots and captains in particular can either help or hinder the operation a lot more than management wants to acknowledge. This pay bump is tacit recognition of that fact.

I'm on a relatively small fleet and I've been called 3 times this week on makeup. I've passed each time but it tells me they are scrambling. And looking at the open time on the 767 in various bases shows that reserves will be busy.
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Old 04-28-2017, 10:39 PM
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That's funny and accurate at the same time.

I'm glad you brought this thread up. I do think that no float was a success. There were a few more prime weeks available in round two than the previous year but the real deal was the added burden on the company of pilots actually taking themselves off the schedule for vacation. There's a lot of manpower saved when pilots float, particularly since we can't pick up flying on vacation or the footprint of trips dropped for vacation (the latter not an issue under PBS).

So now we see Parker reversing course and giving a pay rate raise when he had firmly stated no mid contract bump and 'you get what you negotiate'. Why yes, Doug, you do. You get what you pay for. Non motivated employees will do just the minimum. And in this business, if you only do your job as a pilot the place will meltdown on its own. Reality is, pilots and captains in particular can either help or hinder the operation a lot more than management wants to acknowledge. This pay bump is tacit recognition of that fact.

I'm on a relatively small fleet and I've been called 3 times this week on makeup. I've passed each time but it tells me they are scrambling. And looking at the open time on the 767 in various bases shows that reserves will be busy.
Yes and the upside is if metrics improve we'll continue to get raises.

If nothing changes you can basically kiss any more goodbye for a long time.

Why pay more for the same product?

I heard the FAs on my flight today talking about using their sick time up, I guess their 4% raise wasn't enough and now they want MORE MORE MORE, just like our guys who won't ever be happy no matter how much they make.
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Old 04-29-2017, 04:52 AM
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Any credit to your union for applying pressure?
NO! The line pilots did with on time arrivals!
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Old 04-29-2017, 05:16 AM
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Dont worry a nice little conflict in korea followed by a economic downturn with change things. Every 8-10 yrs there is an event that effects the airlines. Dougie and other ceo types will see it as an opputunity to ask for give backs.
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Originally Posted by WhenPigsFLy View Post
Dont worry a nice little conflict in korea followed by a economic downturn with change things. Every 8-10 yrs there is an event that effects the airlines. Dougie and other ceo types will see it as an opputunity to ask for give backs.


And an Asian conflict won't effect UPS?
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Old 04-30-2017, 03:11 AM
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Yes and the upside is if metrics improve we'll continue to get raises.

If nothing changes you can basically kiss any more goodbye for a long time.

Why pay more for the same product?

I heard the FAs on my flight today talking about using their sick time up, I guess their 4% raise wasn't enough and now they want MORE MORE MORE, just like our guys who won't ever be happy no matter how much they make.
I'm not too impressed with the FA union. Only FAs I know of who ban our own pilots from their Jumpseats..... of course they allow dispatcher and sim instructors to ride them.

Maybe he can bribe them with kittens.
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I'm not too impressed with the FA union. Only FAs I know of who ban our own pilots from their Jumpseats..... of course they allow dispatcher and sim instructors to ride them.

Maybe he can bribe them with kittens.
Don't think united is allowed to either
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Yes and the upside is if metrics improve we'll continue to get raises.



If nothing changes you can basically kiss any more goodbye for a long time.



Why pay more for the same product?



I heard the FAs on my flight today talking about using their sick time up, I guess their 4% raise wasn't enough and now they want MORE MORE MORE, just like our guys who won't ever be happy no matter how much they make.


Not surprising. I flew with 2 great FAs yesterday and then with 2 awful ones. I wish they could get rid of the bad ones. Just make everything miserable.
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