The 'No Float' Campaign and its Outcome.
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#22
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You mean to tell me there are guys on C&R that are not only angry, but short-sided and have their head firmly planted in their rectum?
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Wow! I made this thread wondering if these tactics were going to pay any dividends and few hours later, here we are. Obviously there are other things that need to be fixed, but I won't ignore that this is a gain. Now, I wouldn't be a pilot if I didn't ask, 'Can we get it retroactive?'
I'm glad you brought this thread up. I do think that no float was a success. There were a few more prime weeks available in round two than the previous year but the real deal was the added burden on the company of pilots actually taking themselves off the schedule for vacation. There's a lot of manpower saved when pilots float, particularly since we can't pick up flying on vacation or the footprint of trips dropped for vacation (the latter not an issue under PBS).
So now we see Parker reversing course and giving a pay rate raise when he had firmly stated no mid contract bump and 'you get what you negotiate'. Why yes, Doug, you do. You get what you pay for. Non motivated employees will do just the minimum. And in this business, if you only do your job as a pilot the place will meltdown on its own. Reality is, pilots and captains in particular can either help or hinder the operation a lot more than management wants to acknowledge. This pay bump is tacit recognition of that fact.
I'm on a relatively small fleet and I've been called 3 times this week on makeup. I've passed each time but it tells me they are scrambling. And looking at the open time on the 767 in various bases shows that reserves will be busy.
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That's funny and accurate at the same time.
I'm glad you brought this thread up. I do think that no float was a success. There were a few more prime weeks available in round two than the previous year but the real deal was the added burden on the company of pilots actually taking themselves off the schedule for vacation. There's a lot of manpower saved when pilots float, particularly since we can't pick up flying on vacation or the footprint of trips dropped for vacation (the latter not an issue under PBS).
So now we see Parker reversing course and giving a pay rate raise when he had firmly stated no mid contract bump and 'you get what you negotiate'. Why yes, Doug, you do. You get what you pay for. Non motivated employees will do just the minimum. And in this business, if you only do your job as a pilot the place will meltdown on its own. Reality is, pilots and captains in particular can either help or hinder the operation a lot more than management wants to acknowledge. This pay bump is tacit recognition of that fact.
I'm on a relatively small fleet and I've been called 3 times this week on makeup. I've passed each time but it tells me they are scrambling. And looking at the open time on the 767 in various bases shows that reserves will be busy.
I'm glad you brought this thread up. I do think that no float was a success. There were a few more prime weeks available in round two than the previous year but the real deal was the added burden on the company of pilots actually taking themselves off the schedule for vacation. There's a lot of manpower saved when pilots float, particularly since we can't pick up flying on vacation or the footprint of trips dropped for vacation (the latter not an issue under PBS).
So now we see Parker reversing course and giving a pay rate raise when he had firmly stated no mid contract bump and 'you get what you negotiate'. Why yes, Doug, you do. You get what you pay for. Non motivated employees will do just the minimum. And in this business, if you only do your job as a pilot the place will meltdown on its own. Reality is, pilots and captains in particular can either help or hinder the operation a lot more than management wants to acknowledge. This pay bump is tacit recognition of that fact.
I'm on a relatively small fleet and I've been called 3 times this week on makeup. I've passed each time but it tells me they are scrambling. And looking at the open time on the 767 in various bases shows that reserves will be busy.
If nothing changes you can basically kiss any more goodbye for a long time.
Why pay more for the same product?
I heard the FAs on my flight today talking about using their sick time up, I guess their 4% raise wasn't enough and now they want MORE MORE MORE, just like our guys who won't ever be happy no matter how much they make.
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Dont worry a nice little conflict in korea followed by a economic downturn with change things. Every 8-10 yrs there is an event that effects the airlines. Dougie and other ceo types will see it as an opputunity to ask for give backs.
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And an Asian conflict won't effect UPS?
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Yes and the upside is if metrics improve we'll continue to get raises.
If nothing changes you can basically kiss any more goodbye for a long time.
Why pay more for the same product?
I heard the FAs on my flight today talking about using their sick time up, I guess their 4% raise wasn't enough and now they want MORE MORE MORE, just like our guys who won't ever be happy no matter how much they make.
If nothing changes you can basically kiss any more goodbye for a long time.
Why pay more for the same product?
I heard the FAs on my flight today talking about using their sick time up, I guess their 4% raise wasn't enough and now they want MORE MORE MORE, just like our guys who won't ever be happy no matter how much they make.
Maybe he can bribe them with kittens.
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Yes and the upside is if metrics improve we'll continue to get raises.
If nothing changes you can basically kiss any more goodbye for a long time.
Why pay more for the same product?
I heard the FAs on my flight today talking about using their sick time up, I guess their 4% raise wasn't enough and now they want MORE MORE MORE, just like our guys who won't ever be happy no matter how much they make.
If nothing changes you can basically kiss any more goodbye for a long time.
Why pay more for the same product?
I heard the FAs on my flight today talking about using their sick time up, I guess their 4% raise wasn't enough and now they want MORE MORE MORE, just like our guys who won't ever be happy no matter how much they make.
Not surprising. I flew with 2 great FAs yesterday and then with 2 awful ones. I wish they could get rid of the bad ones. Just make everything miserable.