Sliceback

It's easier if the same system is used by everyone.

I don't know what the LUS procedure is but at a minimum 10,000 guys use one procedure and some like to do a different procedure.

Al Czervik

Agreed and this is probably the BETTER way to go. BUT!!!! Let's ALWAYS adopt the BETTER way of doing things from here on out not just that of the majority.

mainlineAF

I'm just glad we can bicker about trivial stuff like which radio ramp is on and not pay cuts, displacements and furloughs.

450knotOffice

Here's a very common scenario at places like DFW, LAX, ORD: we land, we cross a runway, tower hands us off to Ground, we tell them our gate or entry spot or whatever. Then, as we taxi, I go to #2 and call ramp to let them know we're on the ground, and they tell us which entry spot to use - all the while the CA is monitoring and maybe responding to Ground on #1. The whole process might take 15-30 seconds, but I can't exactly flip comm 1 to Ground in this situation, can I? So I have to talk to ramp on #2. At LAX, the gates are frequently occupied, so we get sent off to some far corner of the airport to wait for the jet in our gate to push and clear the alley. Oftentimes ramp will call us out of the blue - "American 21, from Ramp". If I'm monitoring Ramp on #2, I won't miss that call from them. "This is 21, Go ahead." "The aircraft on your gate just pushed, you can start heading this way. Call as you approach the top of the alley." "Awesome. Thanks. Talk to you in a few minutes". I then tell the captain that our gate's opening up, and let Ground know when I can get a word in on the frequency. Had I not had Ramp in #2, I would not have heard the call from them advising the gate was open.

So there's DEFINITELY that situation at these airports where we need to be talking to both Ground and Ramp at the same time. It's normal business at these airports. So, we just keep it simple. Ramp on 2, Ground on 1. Keeps it very basic and predictable every time.

However, in the grand scheme of things, this is small potatoes (or is it Po-TAA-toes?). If company policy were to change tomorrow, I'd just adapt. It's no big deal at all. Why sweat the small stuff?

CamYZ125

As a LUS guy I used common sense to operate exactly as you describe in airports that require it (LAX, ORD, DFW, LGA, etc...which is only a handful). I also used common sense to have ramp on 1 for EVERY other airport that it doesn't make sense for. (CLT, PHL, RDU, FLL, etc.)

But the company says I can no longer use my common sense, and I must do things the AA way. I'm not qualified to make PA's anymore, might as well not be qualified to run radios with common sense anymore either. So be it.

aa73

<sigh>

mainlineAF

Agree. I'm all for some good old fashioned LAA bashing but this is just dumb.

Grumpyaviator

I'm glad someone started a specific class drop thread so we don't have to filter through whining and moaning to find good info.

Sliceback

This tread will give guys an opporuntity to realize how backward, and stuck in their ways, AA is and perhaps they'll consider pulling their applications and staying at a regional, or in the military, instead of putting ramp on #2.

As others have said many, if not most, airlines do it that way. But suddenly it's some huge flaw?

450knotOffice

So, what IS the class drop for the class that started yesterday?