AA Class Drops
#1191
Sorry - have no idea, just passing on what I heard. 80 this month is great, and was told it would be like this for awhile. Hopefully that doesn’t just mean until the first class in September!
A good CKA recently told me “that was what they told me yesterday, but there’s another meeting this afternoon...” Every day things change around here.
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#1192
#1193
For reference, 2017 hiring totaled 645 pilots.
#1196
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#1197
In addition to mandatory retirements, attrition, and growth there is another factor that has not had much discussion.
In a few short years there will be nearly 1,000 annual mandatory retirements. As stated here, each retirement of a Group IV Captain creates an average of 7 upgrade training events. I recognize not every retirement is of a Group IV CA.
However, ball park, maybe 5,000 training event in a year (a third of the pilots — let that sink in) plus full new hire training of 1,000+ will happen every year for several years running.
Two things. This is going to require a big increase in the Schoolhouse.
The other, which a lot have not thought about, is all those pilots in the Schoolhouse for some period of training takes them off flight status. How many extra pilots need to be hired just to cover for those going through the Schoolhouse? Hundreds of extra hires?
This is not going to be a single year event, one which can be covered by asking for additional flying at premium. It is going to be an ongoing situation for the foreseeable future. It just compounds the problem. AA is not unique in this situation, either. Delta and United will be dealing with this as well.
Food for thought...
In a few short years there will be nearly 1,000 annual mandatory retirements. As stated here, each retirement of a Group IV Captain creates an average of 7 upgrade training events. I recognize not every retirement is of a Group IV CA.
However, ball park, maybe 5,000 training event in a year (a third of the pilots — let that sink in) plus full new hire training of 1,000+ will happen every year for several years running.
Two things. This is going to require a big increase in the Schoolhouse.
The other, which a lot have not thought about, is all those pilots in the Schoolhouse for some period of training takes them off flight status. How many extra pilots need to be hired just to cover for those going through the Schoolhouse? Hundreds of extra hires?
This is not going to be a single year event, one which can be covered by asking for additional flying at premium. It is going to be an ongoing situation for the foreseeable future. It just compounds the problem. AA is not unique in this situation, either. Delta and United will be dealing with this as well.
Food for thought...
#1198
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In addition to mandatory retirements, attrition, and growth there is another factor that has not had much discussion.
In a few short years there will be nearly 1,000 annual mandatory retirements. As stated here, each retirement of a Group IV Captain creates an average of 7 upgrade training events. I recognize not every retirement is of a Group IV CA.
However, ball park, maybe 5,000 training event in a year (a third of the pilots — let that sink in) plus full new hire training of 1,000+ will happen every year for several years running.
Two things. This is going to require a big increase in the Schoolhouse.
The other, which a lot have not thought about, is all those pilots in the Schoolhouse for some period of training takes them off flight status. How many extra pilots need to be hired just to cover for those going through the Schoolhouse? Hundreds of extra hires?
This is not going to be a single year event, one which can be covered by asking for additional flying at premium. It is going to be an ongoing situation for the foreseeable future. It just compounds the problem. AA is not unique in this situation, either. Delta and United will be dealing with this as well.
Food for thought...
In a few short years there will be nearly 1,000 annual mandatory retirements. As stated here, each retirement of a Group IV Captain creates an average of 7 upgrade training events. I recognize not every retirement is of a Group IV CA.
However, ball park, maybe 5,000 training event in a year (a third of the pilots — let that sink in) plus full new hire training of 1,000+ will happen every year for several years running.
Two things. This is going to require a big increase in the Schoolhouse.
The other, which a lot have not thought about, is all those pilots in the Schoolhouse for some period of training takes them off flight status. How many extra pilots need to be hired just to cover for those going through the Schoolhouse? Hundreds of extra hires?
This is not going to be a single year event, one which can be covered by asking for additional flying at premium. It is going to be an ongoing situation for the foreseeable future. It just compounds the problem. AA is not unique in this situation, either. Delta and United will be dealing with this as well.
Food for thought...
Combination of D and I divisions will also streamline reserve coverage.
The company does have a few levers it’s pulling.
#1199
Remember that they are getting rid of the 190, MD-80s, and 757/767. Also, 777-200s will start being replaced by 787. G4 retirements won’t cause as many cycles in the future.
Combination of D and I divisions will also streamline reserve coverage.
The company does have a few levers it’s pulling.
Combination of D and I divisions will also streamline reserve coverage.
The company does have a few levers it’s pulling.
What divisions still need to be combined? Believe they have combined everyone but DFW and those guys don’t think it’s gonna happen.
#1200
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I think MIA 737 and LGA 320 are split.
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