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EMBFlyer 09-28-2017 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by Sam York (Post 2437249)
OK, Let me know how "things HAVE changed" WRT commuting.

Use or recommend whatever technique you want, I really don't care how you get your ass to work.

As mentioned before, commuter policy only requires one flight.

If you reserve the Jumpseat on your first flight, and you're the Primary, you have the seat (aside from a rogue A3, as mentioned before..we'll see if A3 DHs remain after the last Crew News). If the flight cancels and you lose your Jumpseat, then you invoke the Commuter Policy.

Sam York 09-28-2017 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by EMBFlyer (Post 2437478)
As mentioned before, commuter policy only requires one flight.

If you reserve the Jumpseat on your first flight, and you're the Primary, you have the seat (aside from a rogue A3, as mentioned before..we'll see if A3 DHs remain after the last Crew News). If the flight cancels and you lose your Jumpseat, then you invoke the Commuter Policy.

When you ref. commuter policy you are talking about the current contract supplement G, REV2, dated 24 May 2013?

mainlineAF 09-28-2017 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by Sam York (Post 2437665)
When you ref. commuter policy you are talking about the current contract supplement G, REV2, dated 24 May 2013?



The one in the JCBA specifically says one flight. Idk what it's dated.

Sam York 09-28-2017 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2437807)
The one in the JCBA specifically says one flight. Idk what it's dated.

Below I have pasted the latest (that I can find) commuter policy dated Nov2015. I cant find where it says what you claim. Is there some kind of LOA addressing the number of flights?

SUPPLEMENT G
Commuter Policy
Commuter Policy - Supplement G
The following sets forth the Commuter Policy for all (regular and reserve) pilots when circumstances prevent them from reporting for duty as previously planned or scheduled:

1. Pilots are expected to exercise prudent judgment and planning to avoid commuting problems, and are responsible for reporting for all assigned trip sequences with sufficient time and with adequate rest prior to beginning scheduled duty.

2. The pilot will notify Crew Schedule as soon as possible when it is known that a scheduled sign-in is no longer possible.

3. Pilots who commute by other means (e.g. automobile, train, bus, etc.) shall also be covered under this policy for unforeseen events, provided they notify Crew Schedule as soon as such events become known, and the scheduled sign-in is no longer possible. Examples of such events include but are not limited to severe unforecasted weather conditions, vehicular accidents and mechanical breakdowns.

4. Commuting pilots who arrive at their domicile after the first flight of their sequence has departed, or another pilot has been assigned to cover the flight, shall be subject to any of the following, at the discretion of Crew Schedule:

a. Deadheaded down line to rejoin his/her scheduled sequence, or
b. Assigned to any sequence by mutual agreement between the pilot and Crew Schedule, or
c. Assigned to another sequence which is scheduled to terminate no later than the same calendar day, or first available the following day, or
d. Removed from the scheduled sequence, or available day if on reserve, without pay.

5. For pay purposes under this Policy, the following shall apply:
a. Flight time missed will be unpaid and uncredited (see Paragraph 6).
b. Deadhead flights to join a new sequence, or the original sequence, will be unpaid (except for scheduled sequences that begin with a deadhead).
c. Flying assigned other than as scheduled on the original sequence will be treated as a reschedule.

6. It is expected that a pilot will utilize the provisions of this Policy on a rare basis. Each event involving the use of this Policy will be considered independently and judged on its own unique circumstances. However, repeated use of this Policy may be considered in evaluations of a pilot's overall attendance/reliability and may require flight documentation going forward. Such documentation may include, but not limited to, the following:
a. Adequate actual seat availability within twenty-four (24) hours of departure for online flights, or
b. Scheduled to operate twenty-four (24) hours prior to departure for off line flights, and/or
c. Flight scheduled to arrive at the pilot's domicile at a reasonable time before scheduled sign-in.
Additionally, the flight time lost may be changed to credited if the Chief Pilot determines that the intent of this Policy was not followed.

7. Nothing in this Supplemental Agreement shall be construed or interpreted as a change or modification to the past practice of a reserve pilot being "reasonably available by surface transportation" to the airport.

8. In the event the FAA amends its policies to treat commuting time as a break in a pilot's rest period:
a. This Commuter Policy shall be suspended on the effective date of such change, and

b. The Company and the Association shall seek agreement on a suitable amendment to, or replacement for, this Commuter Policy, and

c. The Company and the Association shall seek agreement on a suitable amendment to, or replacement for, this Commuter Policy, and



JCBA Rev.1 SUPPLEMENT G - 1 November 1, 2015

Sam York 09-28-2017 07:29 PM

Item 1 is pretty broad based. Akin imo to "conditional" wording. Conditional wording in any contract is pretty useless.

1. Pilots are expected to exercise prudent judgment and planning to avoid commuting problems, and are responsible for reporting for all assigned trip sequences with sufficient time and with adequate rest prior to beginning scheduled duty.

This also:

6. It is expected that a pilot will utilize the provisions of this Policy on a rare basis. Each event involving the use of this Policy will be considered independently and judged on its own unique circumstances. However, repeated use of this Policy may be considered in evaluations of a pilot's overall attendance/reliability and may require flight documentation going forward. Such documentation....

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So go ahead and leave one flight, exercise your "prudent judgement". Invoke the commuter clause when it hits the fan. Maybe a reserve gets called. But then again maybe not. I must have missed the thread where we all declared how much we love getting reassigned mid sequence?

Fellow Pilots - screwing each other since Orville and Wilbur flipped a coin on some Carolina beach.

mainlineAF 09-29-2017 12:36 AM

Read number 6 a, b and c.

Wtf is your problem? How is missing your commute screwing other pilots? That's why we have reserves.

You must be a joy to fly with.

Mover 09-29-2017 03:56 AM


Originally Posted by Sam York (Post 2437897)
Item 1 is pretty broad based. Akin imo to "conditional" wording. Conditional wording in any contract is pretty useless.

1. Pilots are expected to exercise prudent judgment and planning to avoid commuting problems, and are responsible for reporting for all assigned trip sequences with sufficient time and with adequate rest prior to beginning scheduled duty.

This also:

6. It is expected that a pilot will utilize the provisions of this Policy on a rare basis. Each event involving the use of this Policy will be considered independently and judged on its own unique circumstances. However, repeated use of this Policy may be considered in evaluations of a pilot's overall attendance/reliability and may require flight documentation going forward. Such documentation....

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So go ahead and leave one flight, exercise your "prudent judgement". Invoke the commuter clause when it hits the fan. Maybe a reserve gets called. But then again maybe not. I must have missed the thread where we all declared how much we love getting reassigned mid sequence?

Fellow Pilots - screwing each other since Orville and Wilbur flipped a coin on some Carolina beach.

Exhibit A of why we will never have a decent contract with pilots like this on the property. Doing the company's job for them and adding language that doesn't exist. :rolleyes:

When do you retire?

mainlineAF 09-29-2017 04:02 AM


Originally Posted by Mover (Post 2438034)
Exhibit A of why we will never have a decent contract with pilots like this on the property. Doing the company's job for them and adding language that doesn't exist. :rolleyes:



When do you retire?



Exactly. Such misguided nonsense from him.

Sam York 09-29-2017 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2438007)
Read number 6 a, b and c.

Wtf is your problem? How is missing your commute screwing other pilots? That's why we have reserves.

You must be a joy to fly with.

"1. Pilots are expected to exercise prudent judgment and planning to avoid commuting problems"

I don't think "prudent judgement" is one leaving yourself one chance to get to work on time. I always left myself two flights to get to base when I commuted.

Sam York 09-29-2017 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by Mover (Post 2438034)
Exhibit A of why we will never have a decent contract with pilots like this on the property. Doing the company's job for them and adding language that doesn't exist. :rolleyes:

When do you retire?

Yeah I'm the reason.


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