Interview PST and paperwork
#21
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Joined APC: Oct 2017
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From what I understand, (take TPIC out of this statement for a second) having a masters is a big plus to the Legacy carriers. Now, having TPIC is a big deal in most peoples opinion. Many on this forum have better ideas how to crack the nut than I do, and I will certainly defer to them. But, if it were me, I’d upgrade to CA as quickly as I can to get TPIC, and with the masters square checked...you’ll be in a very small niche of people, thus, you’d stand out to the “system” that pulls apps. My .02...and my .02 only. Good job thus far!
#22
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
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Yep. Upgrade will happen as soon as I get to 1000 121. 3 months maybe. I'm fine with putting in some time at the regional to get a decent amount of PIC time. I hear differing stories from people about AA. Some say they only hire from the flow and military. Others say that they limit the flow numbers because they want people from other airlines as well as military (and can't pull everyone from the regionals at once). I'm really hoping AAG matches the payrates we just got at Endeavor at their wholly owneds with the flow, then it would make the decision easy to come over to an AAG regional, upgrade there and just have to suck up reserve for a year, and wait out the 6 ot 8 years for flow. What I'm trying to figure out is if that does not happen and I do stay at Endeavor, what are the chances of realistically getting into AA off the street in say maybe 5 or 6 years from now.
There are guys hired outside the flow from each of the AA WO regionals, but they do have to go through the whole process and have to stand out from the crowd.
Quickest way to AA via the flow for a new hire is Piedmont, followed by Envoy then PSA. You’d be able to upgrade immediately after you finish training. Piedmont doesn’t have reserves thanks to their jet transition and won’t for the next year or two as it looks to double the # of jets and the size of its pilot group. If you’re already based in NYC, then Envoy may be the place to go for you.
Looks like 2 of the 3 (not sure about the 3rd) WO are entering some type of contract negotiations with AA in 2018. You’ll likely see the AA WOs be in the ballpark of the Jan ‘18 Endeavor pay within 12-18 months.
If you’ve got a blemished background or no 4 year degree then an AA Wholly Owned may be your best bet to get to a Legacy.
How far are you out from your DGI? Walking away from a 20+% pay increase is a gamble. But getting stuck as a lifer is also a gamble. Good luck with your decision.
#23
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The pure civilian folks I know who’ve been hired OTS from non AA WO regionals were LCAs at regionals, or pilots at other majors AND had significant volunteer time/ special interest group membership. Chances for a brand X regional pilot with no extra curricular getting hired will increase as the retirements hit peak and military and flow aren’t enough to cover the attrition and the pilot shortage hits. It’ll still be luck of the draw if you get picked or not if you’re not putting any effort into standing out amongst other applicants.
There are guys hired outside the flow from each of the AA WO regionals, but they do have to go through the whole process and have to stand out from the crowd.
Quickest way to AA via the flow for a new hire is Piedmont, followed by Envoy then PSA. You’d be able to upgrade immediately after you finish training. Piedmont doesn’t have reserves thanks to their jet transition and won’t for the next year or two as it looks to double the # of jets and the size of its pilot group. If you’re already based in NYC, then Envoy may be the place to go for you.
Looks like 2 of the 3 (not sure about the 3rd) WO are entering some type of contract negotiations with AA in 2018. You’ll likely see the AA WOs be in the ballpark of the Jan ‘18 Endeavor pay within 12-18 months.
If you’ve got a blemished background or no 4 year degree then an AA Wholly Owned may be your best bet to get to a Legacy.
How far are you out from your DGI? Walking away from a 20+% pay increase is a gamble. But getting stuck as a lifer is also a gamble. Good luck with your decision.
There are guys hired outside the flow from each of the AA WO regionals, but they do have to go through the whole process and have to stand out from the crowd.
Quickest way to AA via the flow for a new hire is Piedmont, followed by Envoy then PSA. You’d be able to upgrade immediately after you finish training. Piedmont doesn’t have reserves thanks to their jet transition and won’t for the next year or two as it looks to double the # of jets and the size of its pilot group. If you’re already based in NYC, then Envoy may be the place to go for you.
Looks like 2 of the 3 (not sure about the 3rd) WO are entering some type of contract negotiations with AA in 2018. You’ll likely see the AA WOs be in the ballpark of the Jan ‘18 Endeavor pay within 12-18 months.
If you’ve got a blemished background or no 4 year degree then an AA Wholly Owned may be your best bet to get to a Legacy.
How far are you out from your DGI? Walking away from a 20+% pay increase is a gamble. But getting stuck as a lifer is also a gamble. Good luck with your decision.
For the DGI you have to be a two year CA at EDV. So I wouldn't even get it for another two or three years anyway. The DGI is also honestly a going to be a joke (if they don't just decide to end it, it's non-contractual and they refused to put in the TA). There was a similar program called the SSP (which was actually contractual) that Endeavor gave its pilots after the mergers/bankruptcies and the success rate was terrible. Plenty of senior guys with tons of experience got told no. And that was an abbreviated interview. The DGI will be the full interview. Psych exam and everything, so without all the irrelevant extra curriculars, and the fact I'm not the most confident person in the world when it comes to stuff like interviews, I don't stand a chance. And DL seems to be getting ready to hire kids straight from college, make them Delta employees while they do their instructing to meet the hour qualifications, then have them prance through EDV already headed to DL. While those of us already here will be told thanks, but no thanks. I have much more respect for a company like AA that will give all its regional pilots a chance when their number comes up, even if that takes a few years. With the DL all you can count on is to eventually get a big middle finger one way or another, just because that's the Delta way.