Kirby going after scope at United
10-25-2017, 03:36 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by ATR72
We got the pay raise outside of section six that's correct. Make sure to place the credit where it's due- the no vacation float campaign. That eight percent came within weeks of that, which validates that the no vacation float was what triggered the raise, not parker being a nice or fair guy (we all know he isn't).
On the rest of it you're right. Mostly it's water under the bridge except when I see the same apathetic attitude on display- that's how we get crushed every time. 2020 is not that far away and we definitely do not have our act together. It sounds like it'll be a similar negotiating team dynamic as last time. The same one that failed at everything except the hourly pay rates.
On the rest of it you're right. Mostly it's water under the bridge except when I see the same apathetic attitude on display- that's how we get crushed every time. 2020 is not that far away and we definitely do not have our act together. It sounds like it'll be a similar negotiating team dynamic as last time. The same one that failed at everything except the hourly pay rates.
10-25-2017, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ATR72
And with that attitude does length of service matter?
What are a few whining former TWA pilots after right?
Probably the same thoughts on LTD right? Doesn't affect me so it's all good right?
It's only ten dollars an hour...that's how contracts are eroded.
What's next, you work part time for Mr. Glass?
What are a few whining former TWA pilots after right?
Probably the same thoughts on LTD right? Doesn't affect me so it's all good right?
It's only ten dollars an hour...that's how contracts are eroded.
What's next, you work part time for Mr. Glass?
10-25-2017, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Mover
Nonsense. The credit has nothing to do with the no float campaign. It was a recruiting tool and nothing more.
The no float was a dud. The company wouldn't throw money at the problem unless they needed a fix. They didn't, ergo the belief that the pay increase had nothing to do with the no float flop.
10-25-2017, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ATR72
One side note... after the JCBA was settled and 2/3s foolishly voted yes, a large number of the A319s on order were converted to the A321s. Why? Because we foolishly let the 321 into group 2 with as many seats as a B757. As soon as we passed the JCBA they converted the orders.
2. It's not uncommon to order smaller models and then change to larger models when the build is started. It reduces the amount of money the customer has to front load before the construction process starts.
3. It's a 5.7% pay difference between G2 and G3. The percentage of total operating cost is less than 1%. That doesn't cover trip costs. They buy the a/c for the size they desire.
4. AA ordered A319's to get 125 seaters. The merger with LUS wasn't on the horizon at the time. The merger gave LAA a significant number of A319's so the new 319's were converted to 321's instead.
5. DL doesn't pay the 321 at G3 rates.
6. UA does match the 757 pay with smaller a/c pay rates. It pays the 757 at G2 rates, not G3.
7. LUS guys, of which you are one, would have benefited from making the 321 a G3 a/c and would have hurt the LAA pilots in the SLI. Why would APA do that?
Last edited by Sliceback; 10-25-2017 at 09:53 AM. Reason: added points 5. and 6.
10-25-2017, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
6. UA does match the 757 pay with smaller a/c pay rates. It pays the 757 at G2 rates, not G3.
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