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AUpilot1 10-23-2017 10:28 AM

Kirby going after scope at United
 
Looks like that United and UALPA have agreed to open full section 6 negotiations over a year early. Pilots are saying that Kirby is making the rounds talking about wanting scope relief and how this is "good for pilots." We have all heard this before from him! The United guys better stay strong!

Daytripper13 10-23-2017 11:40 AM

[QUOTE=AUpilot1;2452916]Looks like that United and UALPA have agreed to open full section 6 negotiations over a year early. Pilots are saying that Kirby is making the rounds talking about wanting scope relief and how this is "good for pilots." We have all heard this before from him! The United guys better stay strong![/QUOTE

Never forget when he did this
http://blogs.star-telegram.com/.a/6a...7a35132970d-pi

awax 10-23-2017 12:03 PM

I'm guessing by the time it comes to a vote, 20% of the list at UAL will be guys who spent the lost decade in the cockpit of an RJ, and rest will still be feeling the sting of 20 years of lost opportunity and stagnate career progression. I haven't met anyone yet who wants to entertain scope relaxation.

Current UAL scope allows for additional RJs, btw. ;)

EMBFlyer 10-23-2017 04:37 PM

United has already been hinting at a large 767-300 order, should Boeing reopen the line.

I vaguely remember hearing that here. More RJs means more widebodies for you! I mean, how could you not believe him? He's an Air Force Academy grad standing in front us with no tie on!

MasterOfPuppets 10-23-2017 05:13 PM

United’s Union is one of the strongest unions I have ever seen and been apart of. Or MEC will not put out an offer that they know won’t pass. The membership is strong and United, it fractured a little with the SLI, but everyone is still more or less on the same page.

Kirby hasn’t dealt with this kind of union and unity yet. He’s in for a bit of a shock.

Tpinks 10-23-2017 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by EMBFlyer (Post 2453112)
United has already been hinting at a large 767-300 order, should Boeing reopen the line.

I vaguely remember hearing that here. More RJs means more widebodies for you! I mean, how could you not believe him? He's an Air Force Academy grad standing in front us with no tie on!

#TheLineNeverClosed

If someone wanted pax 767's there is nothing stopping them from ordering them as long as they are -300ER's since the -400ER has components that are no longer in production.

PilotGR 10-23-2017 06:05 PM

Kirby has no clue what he is in for...

Al Czervik 10-23-2017 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 2453130)
United’s Union is one of the strongest unions I have ever seen and been apart of. Or MEC will not put out an offer that they know won’t pass. The membership is strong and United, it fractured a little with the SLI, but everyone is still more or less on the same page.

Kirby hasn’t dealt with this kind of union and unity yet. He’s in for a bit of a shock.

Amen brother. Wish we had that kind of thinking here.

Smoke Toliet 10-24-2017 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2453176)
Amen brother. Wish we had that kind of thinking here.

Amen brother

ATR72 10-24-2017 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by AUpilot1 (Post 2452916)
Looks like that United and UALPA have agreed to open full section 6 negotiations over a year early. Pilots are saying that Kirby is making the rounds talking about wanting scope relief and how this is "good for pilots." We have all heard this before from him! The United guys better stay strong!

Kirby. That's the same guy who washed out of UPT...supposidly that's where he became a real pilot hater. The story was that it was air sickness. He tried the scope grab at AA it was foolish. I think he was after 81 seats versus the current 76 seat limit. His BS justification was that it could feed the international / long haul. APA correctly said use an A319 or E190 if you need more people.

One side note... after the JCBA was settled and 2/3s foolishly voted yes, a large number of the A319s on order were converted to the A321s. Why? Because we foolishly let the 321 into group 2 with as many seats as a B757. As soon as we passed the JCBA they converted the orders.

Point being Kirby is a liar and will say anything to keep up the outsourcing scam. He probably wants to trash United with more RJs just like America West, US Air & AA. He's just another suit looking to make a little more money on the backs of organized labor, don't let him do it.


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