Avg Calendar Day, LOS approved
01-01-2018, 12:10 PM
#103
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Originally Posted by Name User
After reading the arguments against I hope it gets voted down. That RO language is total BS. Must take highest time trip? WTF?
With ACD most of those low paying trips will go away and be interspersed in regular flying. It will pay more for sure. I can't believe they are the most efficient use of resources but the company feels like it is.
Did you catch that line about not floating or no LOS?
Oh and the lanagusge doesn't even get implemted until Fall of next year!
This isn't a base hit, if anything it's a step back with loss of work rules.
With ACD most of those low paying trips will go away and be interspersed in regular flying. It will pay more for sure. I can't believe they are the most efficient use of resources but the company feels like it is.
Did you catch that line about not floating or no LOS?
Oh and the lanagusge doesn't even get implemted until Fall of next year!
This isn't a base hit, if anything it's a step back with loss of work rules.
The RO language is already BS. Since LUS could be in RO i think I’ve been subject to it once. Not a huge deal.
On the other hand ACD is huge. It gets us on par with other airlines and sets us up much better for section 6.
Voting this down would be a bad choice.
01-01-2018, 02:43 PM
#108
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This from a pilot handling grievances. He sums it up pretty well. Hopefully our marginally competent BOD don't f this up.
What can I add that hasn’t already been said? Here goes....
I’ve been swimming neck deep in this river of **** for all of us for years now, and along the way a lot of my righteous indignation has been burned away, painfully. It’s easy to drive by and say, “THIS SUCKS! WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING!”
I’ts another thing entirely to fight them day after day, year after year, and see time and again they hold ALL the cards. The only one we have, we have a gun pointed at our heads if we try to pull it. THAT’S REALITY.
ALL we have are wits and occasional opportunities. You think this mini-Nego was ugly, Section 6 is going to look like the Somme by comparison.
Most of what the DCA reps cataloged in their blast is just a recitation of the now long running status quo:
* DOTC is per 2003 CBA 18.G.7, ironically a Contract LUS was NEVER party to. There never was any end in sight to AA using it, and it’s preferable to the currently structured DOTC/RAS in 15.J (unimplemented,) so to agree to maintain the status quo we want over the POS agreed to in the MTA doesn’t seem a sacrifice. 🤔
* 15.B Electronic notification was long ago agreed to, and frankly is logical. This silly game of hide and seek we are wedded to is complex nonsense, the last vestige of the secondary home land line the wife and kids were told to NEVER answer. 🙄
It’s a dynamic environment, which needs a responsive system. The DMV way of doing business around here has to end. We need to be highly compensated to get the job done, not get out of working. Sorry Mike Pliske. 😜
* RO: they already do WTF they want with RO, because the system is so complex few understand it, and just do what they are told ; the answer is to simplify and ADD MONEY!
* Grievances: AA is already defendant, judge, jury, executioner, and forgetful paymaster. They do WTF they want, and must be hounded to the ends of the earth to even get them to reply in a remotely timely manner.
To settle them at 50% is a better batting average than I can ever get anymore, since Todd Jewett decided to play hard ball.
I just ask that that you guys look REALISTICALLY at what we are up against.
I wanted MIN calendar day, but it was not to be, and isn’t at DL or UA either. Dave R assured us the 2 hr backstop won’t affect us hardly ever. I have my concerns, otherwise why would they put it in there, when DL doesn’t have it?
I wanted FULL Retro, but it’s not there, and many here are squawking LOS is already too good as offered 🤪
I didn’t want to “pay” anything for any of this; bailing them out of Xmas should have been enough to get them down on their knees, but it’s not how they roll... they KNOW the rules are all in their favor, and they ARE utterly callous.
If you’ve got an actual bigger hammer than Dan had, I’m all ears, but I see the BoD clamoring for relevance, then voting “yes.”
What’s their plan for “no?“ I missed that in the DCA blast. 🤔
What can I add that hasn’t already been said? Here goes....
I’ve been swimming neck deep in this river of **** for all of us for years now, and along the way a lot of my righteous indignation has been burned away, painfully. It’s easy to drive by and say, “THIS SUCKS! WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING!”
I’ts another thing entirely to fight them day after day, year after year, and see time and again they hold ALL the cards. The only one we have, we have a gun pointed at our heads if we try to pull it. THAT’S REALITY.
ALL we have are wits and occasional opportunities. You think this mini-Nego was ugly, Section 6 is going to look like the Somme by comparison.
Most of what the DCA reps cataloged in their blast is just a recitation of the now long running status quo:
* DOTC is per 2003 CBA 18.G.7, ironically a Contract LUS was NEVER party to. There never was any end in sight to AA using it, and it’s preferable to the currently structured DOTC/RAS in 15.J (unimplemented,) so to agree to maintain the status quo we want over the POS agreed to in the MTA doesn’t seem a sacrifice. 🤔
* 15.B Electronic notification was long ago agreed to, and frankly is logical. This silly game of hide and seek we are wedded to is complex nonsense, the last vestige of the secondary home land line the wife and kids were told to NEVER answer. 🙄
It’s a dynamic environment, which needs a responsive system. The DMV way of doing business around here has to end. We need to be highly compensated to get the job done, not get out of working. Sorry Mike Pliske. 😜
* RO: they already do WTF they want with RO, because the system is so complex few understand it, and just do what they are told ; the answer is to simplify and ADD MONEY!
* Grievances: AA is already defendant, judge, jury, executioner, and forgetful paymaster. They do WTF they want, and must be hounded to the ends of the earth to even get them to reply in a remotely timely manner.
To settle them at 50% is a better batting average than I can ever get anymore, since Todd Jewett decided to play hard ball.
I just ask that that you guys look REALISTICALLY at what we are up against.
I wanted MIN calendar day, but it was not to be, and isn’t at DL or UA either. Dave R assured us the 2 hr backstop won’t affect us hardly ever. I have my concerns, otherwise why would they put it in there, when DL doesn’t have it?
I wanted FULL Retro, but it’s not there, and many here are squawking LOS is already too good as offered 🤪
I didn’t want to “pay” anything for any of this; bailing them out of Xmas should have been enough to get them down on their knees, but it’s not how they roll... they KNOW the rules are all in their favor, and they ARE utterly callous.
If you’ve got an actual bigger hammer than Dan had, I’m all ears, but I see the BoD clamoring for relevance, then voting “yes.”
What’s their plan for “no?“ I missed that in the DCA blast. 🤔
01-01-2018, 02:46 PM
#109
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
The RO language is already BS. Since LUS could be in RO i think I’ve been subject to it once. Not a huge deal.
On the other hand ACD is huge. It gets us on par with other airlines and sets us up much better for section 6.
Voting this down would be a bad choice.
On the other hand ACD is huge. It gets us on par with other airlines and sets us up much better for section 6.
Voting this down would be a bad choice.
Exactly! The RO language sucks and will not improve if we vote no. How often do you guys get a RO? For me it's been exactly once. 5:15 is a major gain. Los is another big one and needs to get cleared from the table prior to section 6 if we want to have a shot at an industry leading contract.
01-01-2018, 03:03 PM
#110
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Originally Posted by Laker24
Exactly! The RO language sucks and will not improve if we vote no. How often do you guys get a RO? For me it's been exactly once. 5:15 is a major gain. Los is another big one and needs to get cleared from the table prior to section 6 if we want to have a shot at an industry leading contract.
Yep. It’s actually baffling to me that people would even consider this being a bad deal.
The JCBA is a joke and we have an opportunity to fix two major things that we’ve been complaining about for years and people don’t want to take it? I’m shocked.
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