R57 relay

Where are the NO voters on the JCBA?

Let’s review:

-The company gave us back the profit sharing we sold for extra per diem.
-The company gave us an average 8% raise.
-We drew a line in sand over LOS and the company walked away. They screwed up Christmas and came back with 200% for some holiday trips, LOS and ACD, but with gives. Former NO voters are tripping over themselves to say YES, YES, YES!!!.

I’m starting to think RTE66 is on the right track with his no union idea.

mainlineAF

You’re over-simplifying it. The JCBA and this deal are completely different. I was a firm no on the JCBA and am a firm yes on this.

If you agree with 66 on anything we may need to put you in a home lol

Harry Dunn

I’m not currently in support of this agreement, just like our JCBA, the language isn’t strong enough. If we have to wait for a better opportunity (read section 6) to really make an improvement to our contract, I’m all for it. So far our JCBA is the worst contract I’ve ever experienced; implementation language, rescheduling allowances, low-premium compensation, endless grievances, continuous pay discrepancies, etc.. We shouldn’t continue to expect better results with the same flawed reasoning we used to pass the current JCBA.

I don’t see any reason to give ANYTHING up in this situation, we didn’t create the problem. Expecting 70% of the vacation to go unused to trigger ACD, guarantees we won’t see this contract provision any time soon, especially with the toothless penalty. Just like the JCBA, the language won’t prevent this from turning into a complete cluster. Anyone expecting otherwise is relying on PFM as a quality of life improvement.

A321

I want average calendar day more than anyone else, but I don't want it traded for electronic notification.

WE SHOULD BE GIVING UP ZERO IN THIS CURRENT ENVIRONMENT.

DCA Blast.... must read:

The BOD will meet Jan. 3rd to evaluate a potential agreement on LOS, Duty Rigs, and allowing AA's protocol method on filling open time. AA's protocol, attached, violates many JCBA Sec. 15 requirements. Your DCA Representatives will decide on the agreement after we receive the full briefing from the National Officers and APA Committee members.

AGREEMENT HIGHLIGHTS

LOS

If the pilot group doesn't float a minimum amount of vacation, implementation of Duty Rigs will be delayed 4 months to 1/1/19. Any LOS pilot omissions discovered after 7/1/18 will not receive retro pay to 6/1/17.

Duty Rigs

New Rig is 5:15 Average Calendar Day with release after 0159 to receive credit. This conflicts with JCBA Calendar Day definition, "A calendar day (0000-2400) in which any duty is performed for the company including sign-in and debrief." Daily Minimum Guarantee changes from 3 to 2 hours. Delta has an Average Day of 5:15, no daily minimum. United has 5:00 Average Day, no daily minimum.

DOTC/Reserve Assignment System (RAS) - Filling of Open Time

AA's Protocol Open Time Coverage wish list is attached below.

The new JCBA RAS process has not been implemented. AA has been violating Open Time Coverage rules since day 1 of the JCBA. The proposed DOTC/RAS agreement adopts AA's current illegal process (Protocol) indefinitely until a new DOTC/RAS system is approved. We will meet to Define/Understand the Protocol and establish it as a the "Benchmark". We cannot file any further grievances on the New Protocol open time language, but we can file new grievances on Protocol violations. Violations of violations. Once approved, the new DOTC/RAS system will take 18 months to implement (mid 2019?). Then we will have to monitor and evaluate the new system for months (2020?). Any Grievances on the new system will restrict the Arbitrator to only interpreting the language and no authority to award any remedy or penalty. No teeth to force correction!

What's in it for AA. AA gains advantages in flexible scheduling for the next 1.5+ years to include electronic notification. JCBA 15 B.2. "To the maximum extent possible, electronic notification and acknowledgment between the Company and pilots will be used for open time assignments." The 8 page Protocol itself has 40+ violations of the JCBA and is definitely a Quality of Live issue.

Example: Protocol Step 1 Sequence Protection

1. Allows Crew Scheduling/Tracking to highest time trip in Replacement Flying Window (RFW). JCBA 4 C.6.a.1. says "best matches the hours of obligation and the footprint of the affected sequence based on the pilot's preference ballot."

2. Highest time trip may exceed Recovery Obligation (RO). Violates JCBA4 C.6.a.1

3. Call H number only and message is considered notification. Violates FAR 117 and JCBA 15 B. AA wants to assign pilots in rest period prior to sign in. FAR's don't allow this notification.

RO conflict with DFP allows AA to move or cancel DFP and assign RO that exceeds IMAX or MMAX. Violates JCBA 4 C.3.a. and 15 D.4.

4. Every day AA waits to the latest possible moment to find trip that fits the RFW and then makes single call for cancellation or assignment. Violates FAR 117 and JCBA 4 C.1.c. Currently, AA must assign replacement flying within 3 hours of cancellation.

The argument for the Protocol process is that AA will continue the violations and agreeing to it will get us to a final product quicker, mid-2019 vs the next contract. No one can be absolutely sure.



THE GOOD

-LOS correction to 6/1/17 and full LOS for future furloughed pilots.

-Duty Rig 5:15 improvement

QUESTIONABLE ITEMS

-Elimination of grievances at 50% value.

-What happens after negotiating the protocol for the required 4 months? Will AA just implement a new process without our involvement or consent?

-Does this incentivize AA to start abiding by the contract or condone bad behavior?


THE BAD

-APA condoning AA's future contractual violations.

-Protocol violations have no remedy or penalty.

-Do we want electronic notification to the maximum extent in our next contract?

-Leverage with Vacation Float?

-What group of Pilots are suffering the most currently? Long Term Disabled Pilots. Why don't we have an AA deadline to fix this devastating issue?

-Is this a distraction for our Committees preparing for contract openers on 1/1/19?



Do base hits on improvements hurt our overall CBA strategy going forward?

R57 relay

Coming from you this doesn’t surprise me a bit.

cactusmike

Electronic notification was agreed to in the JCBA. We’ve been waiting for the implementation. The present system is just crazy, it’s time to join the Internet age.

LOS will be great for the guys that took a hit in the 2000s, especially the TWA guys. They got hammered twice, they could use a win. The MidAtlantic guys lost all of their arbitrations, they were never mainline, they should not be the reason PHL votes no.

Slash trips are just ridiculous. There’s no way a major airline contract should have this in place. Fixing it now means not expending negotiating capital in section 6.

I’m not going to float next year. I want my vacation. If we don’t float we put pressure on the company going into section 6 in 2019. A 4 month hit on implementing min day is worth the angst scheduling will go through next summer. But that’s just my view, since the union is silent on this we need to determine our individual preferences here.

OVBIII

I keep looking at all the data. Most of the things the company is using as leverage, they seem to do already. We can say no, and stay at status quo. Or we can vote yes and at least move forward to increasing our QOL. Call it myopia, but I feel we need to heavily consider this one. Negotiations are not too far away for our next contract, we may be able to do what another post said a few days/week ago and "test drive" this for our section 6.
Being as it may, I have learned quite a bit from all y'alls thoughts and posts. Hope we all have a wonderful 2018. Cheers.

Al Czervik

I like the reference to contract adjustments that violate FAR117. If it violates 117 we really shouldn’t be worried about that...no?

mainlineAF

Explain.

Filler

mainlineAF

Anyone catch the second caller on the PHL town hall tonight? Lol that was hilarious. Dude was rambling about how APA, ALPA and USAPA all suck and are all the same.

Oh and how if the LOS guys get a Pay bump he’s been here 34 years he deserves one too.

Classic