Avg Calendar Day, LOS approved
01-08-2018, 05:50 AM
#181
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Originally Posted by Route66
You guys are all talk. Third listers I fly with, I encourage them to step forward to serve. They're too busy with their lives. They believe they are wasting there time and see no reason to pound their heads against the wall for nothing. I'm not saying this to be mean...I ask them all. The return vs. the "reward" isn't worth it. Secondly, as long as you have domicile voting as opposed to seniority block voting, you'll NEVER accomplish the goals you seek to effectuate. Unions are becoming a thing of the past.
01-08-2018, 08:48 AM
#182
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Originally Posted by sumwherelse
Some of us who have stepped up get completely ignored. If your not in their circle your not in their group. Like I said before I have been volunteering for this union for years and I can’t even get a return “thanks but no thanks” email reaponse.
01-08-2018, 09:02 AM
#183
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Maybe block voting would be a good idea.
Maybe a structure in which each domicile gets an equal number of votes would work.....
Anything is better than this current nonsense!
Any kind of real negotiator would have sat down and said “guess what, you boys ****ed up and gave everyone the holidays off..... You don’t give us 100% forward progress, we will just send out a communication telling everyone to enjoy all their hard-earned time off, and we will see how that works out.”
They actually managed to turn this into a loss for everyone (except maybe the LOS guys.) Concessions? Seriously?
I didn’t expect much, but I sure didn’t expect any kind of concessions. My God. We pay dues for this rope-a-dope crap.
Maybe a structure in which each domicile gets an equal number of votes would work.....
Anything is better than this current nonsense!
Any kind of real negotiator would have sat down and said “guess what, you boys ****ed up and gave everyone the holidays off..... You don’t give us 100% forward progress, we will just send out a communication telling everyone to enjoy all their hard-earned time off, and we will see how that works out.”
They actually managed to turn this into a loss for everyone (except maybe the LOS guys.) Concessions? Seriously?
I didn’t expect much, but I sure didn’t expect any kind of concessions. My God. We pay dues for this rope-a-dope crap.
01-08-2018, 10:26 AM
#184
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Originally Posted by jcountry
Maybe block voting would be a good idea.
Maybe a structure in which each domicile gets an equal number of votes would work.....
Anything is better than this current nonsense!
Any kind of real negotiator would have sat down and said “guess what, you boys ****ed up and gave everyone the holidays off..... You don’t give us 100% forward progress, we will just send out a communication telling everyone to enjoy all their hard-earned time off, and we will see how that works out.”
They actually managed to turn this into a loss for everyone (except maybe the LOS guys.) Concessions? Seriously?
I didn’t expect much, but I sure didn’t expect any kind of concessions. My God. We pay dues for this rope-a-dope crap.
Maybe a structure in which each domicile gets an equal number of votes would work.....
Anything is better than this current nonsense!
Any kind of real negotiator would have sat down and said “guess what, you boys ****ed up and gave everyone the holidays off..... You don’t give us 100% forward progress, we will just send out a communication telling everyone to enjoy all their hard-earned time off, and we will see how that works out.”
They actually managed to turn this into a loss for everyone (except maybe the LOS guys.) Concessions? Seriously?
I didn’t expect much, but I sure didn’t expect any kind of concessions. My God. We pay dues for this rope-a-dope crap.
Secondly, pilots would be PAID based upon their hire with the airline they worked with. If the LOS furloughs get their years the rest of us should get theirs. The LOS/LAA pilots are greedy. Everyone else suffers for them.
01-08-2018, 01:40 PM
#185
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Originally Posted by Route66
Block voting would be representationally more indicative of the cross-sections of the group. It seems to me a number of about 1:500 would work. So for our group it would be 30 reps. For a group this size that may be too big a number and 1:1000 would be better for larger groups it would seem.
Secondly, pilots would be PAID based upon their hire with the airline they worked with. If the LOS furloughs get their years the rest of us should get theirs. The LOS/LAA pilots are greedy. Everyone else suffers for them.
Secondly, pilots would be PAID based upon their hire with the airline they worked with. If the LOS furloughs get their years the rest of us should get theirs. The LOS/LAA pilots are greedy. Everyone else suffers for them.
So sick of being hosed by a very small % of our pilots. The way things are set up, our union only represents people from two bases.
01-08-2018, 03:32 PM
#186
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Originally Posted by Route66
There's just another example. See, this is what I keep saying. I got a great call from Kimball Stone the other day just to touch base on an email I wrote. The union could care less.
I’d love to read that email.
01-08-2018, 05:14 PM
#187
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I can’t believd LOS is even an issue.
We didn’t get industry standard. (We never get industry standard) That’s how we got set up for this crap.
I’d totally decertify today. Even if it meant being non-union. I’d much rather take my chances with the company-rather than being continuously hosed by APA
We didn’t get industry standard. (We never get industry standard) That’s how we got set up for this crap.
I’d totally decertify today. Even if it meant being non-union. I’d much rather take my chances with the company-rather than being continuously hosed by APA
01-08-2018, 05:31 PM
#188
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Originally Posted by jcountry
I can’t believd LOS is even an issue.
We didn’t get industry standard. (We never get industry standard) That’s how we got set up for this crap.
I’d totally decertify today. Even if it meant being non-union. I’d much rather take my chances with the company-rather than being continuously hosed by APA
We didn’t get industry standard. (We never get industry standard) That’s how we got set up for this crap.
I’d totally decertify today. Even if it meant being non-union. I’d much rather take my chances with the company-rather than being continuously hosed by APA
The union may be toothless but at least we have some protection.
The APA made LOS a nonissue during the JCBA negotiations, I wish they would publically own it. That ship has sailed.
01-08-2018, 05:45 PM
#189
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Originally Posted by Name User
As they contract out the Airbus and 737 flying to Skywest.
The union may be toothless but at least we have some protection.
The APA made LOS a nonissue during the JCBA negotiations, I wish they would publically own it. That ship has sailed.
The union may be toothless but at least we have some protection.
The APA made LOS a nonissue during the JCBA negotiations, I wish they would publically own it. That ship has sailed.
Same ole same ole.
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