Al Czervik

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Good explanation

mainlineAF

But DOTC/RAS!!!!!!!

This is a no-brainer.

AFTrainerGuy

I listened to podcast and agree with what he is saying.... I really want ACD too as junior line-holder. Really want it!

But, I gotta be honest, I really don’t think they are gonna implement ACD. No reason too and a million a month “penalty” is peanuts. I’m still a NO unless they can tie ACD to something like DOTC/RAS or something firm. If not, it’s “gives” with hopes of a “get” one day.

AFTrainerGuy

Not that I actually get a vote

Frip

"We don't want those Industry Leading Rigs anyway..."

Mover

Only if you're naive enough to believe the company will ever implement it.

Mover

Incorrect. Trips coded as PM/PR should've been paid at 150% with the remaining 50% in Feb. Any trips not coded PM/PR initially had to be manually input.

Guys (like me) were shafted the 150% despite identified trips being correctly coded. I spent two hours on the phone yesterday and got it straightened out.

The company has no incentive to implement ACD, and the fact that we get penalized for using our contractually provided vacation is BS.

This is a bad deal. You're seeing only the carrot and forgetting about the stick.

Attachment three codifies their blatant disregard of our contract. It also expands RO. Do we really want to go into Section 6 showing the company that we are this weak? Or showing the arbitrators that we're okay with these abuses of our contract?

No thanks.

sailingfun

Are you saying that the agreement for average calendar day has no required implementation date and is simply at the discretion of the company? If so APA needs to fire the negotiators. Items that require increased Manning always require a implementation schedule however it should have firm dates.

Mover

It has an implementation date of 1 September IF 30% or more float their vacation (i.e. - get paid vs using vacation). After that, it's a $1 mil/month penalty and $1.5 mil/month every month thereafter.

$100/pilot per month. It's chump change and they can extend it indefinitely by merely paying the fine.

Meanwhile, the company gets our concession (Attachment 3 / DOTC/RAS) immediately.

aa73

Well, we’re getting close. I’ve gone back and forth on whether or not this is a good deal. Here is the latest from the Scheduling Committee Chairman regarding false assumptions that the company won’t implement ACD:

Duty Rig Implementation Timeline

The pending agreement makes the company’s intent unambiguous. Arguments that it would be financially beneficial to the company to never implement these provisions are unsound. On the contrary, the structure of the penalty provision indicates to all – including to a neutral third party – that the company’s clear intent is to implement by 31-AUG. If they fail, there is a performance penalty. It further shows the seriousness of the timeline intent by increasing the penalty after just one month by 50%.

DOTC/RAS

In the past, I have been a vocal critic of the company’s DOTC/RAS efforts. Without debating or passing judgment on the value of pending grievances, it is worth noting that our input in the final DOTC/RAS product is now codified. The benefit of this system will be the removal of human subjective interpretation which leads to definitive accountability. This seems to be a pragmatic path away from the capricious practices of today and toward a contractually compliant system.

My take on this is that it needs to pass for 3 reasons:

1) if we vote it down, we just gave the company a free pass on their screwup (December), thus setting a bad future standard that AA pilots will always come to the rescue for a measly reward (only some pilots got 200%). IMO, we need to reap the maximum reward, otherwise we did all that for basically nothing.

2) Voting it in tells the company that we are on board and willing to do our part in improving the culture, as well as taking two very important QOL issues off the negotiating table when we open - ACD and LOS.

3) we unify our furloughees by getting them full LOS and don’t hang them out to dry, thus creating more unity within our ranks.

In a nutshell... my belief is that the pros outweigh the cons on this one. I think it needs to go through. I know I’ve gone back & forth but I’m sure I’m not the only one.