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Old 12-22-2017, 07:16 AM
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Would you rather stick with what we had? 3 day 11 hour trips. You do realize we are not in section 6? I think APA has done a hell of a good job making meaningful gains outside of section 6. Point to any other airline who has done as much outside of negotiations.

The LOS deal is going to require additional manpower. Lots of pilots are going to get an extra week or so of vacation starting in 2019.
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Old 12-22-2017, 07:41 AM
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Would you rather stick with what we had? 3 day 11 hour trips. You do realize we are not in section 6? I think APA has done a hell of a good job making meaningful gains outside of section 6. Point to any other airline who has done as much outside of negotiations.

The LOS deal is going to require additional manpower. Lots of pilots are going to get an extra week or so of vacation starting in 2019.
If it involves any concessions or IOUs, I'd rather not.

The devil is in the details.
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Old 12-22-2017, 08:40 AM
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We're going to have to use negotiating capital to fix this because AVG calendar day and a concession for electronic notification isn't what we want.


What would you rather have besides average calendar day? Of course minimum would be better but there’s no way we would get that.
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Old 12-22-2017, 12:30 PM
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What would you rather have besides average calendar day? Of course minimum would be better but there’s no way we would get that.
Why not? That's the kind of attitude that creates a weak and feckless union.

I'd prefer a better F time rig above anything, but a min + F time would be ideal.
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Old 12-22-2017, 12:54 PM
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Why not? That's the kind of attitude that creates a weak and feckless union.



I'd prefer a better F time rig above anything, but a min + F time would be ideal.


We won’t get a min day bc we aren’t in section 6 and no one else besides SWA has a true min day. That’s not being weak that’s being realistic.

Didn’t APA test better F time and conclude an average calendar day was better?
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Old 12-22-2017, 03:01 PM
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Language is out.

1 for 1.5 duty rig for odarkthirty flying

5+15 Rig implemented by September, unless vacation float is under 30%, then they can delay to january 2019. They will pay 1 million penalty month one and 1.5 million each month after.

Check airman adjusted to maintain 11 minute premium.

LOS resolved, and shall accrue for any future furloughs.

Give up all claims to open time grievances, and all previous are settled at 50%

Overall, a huge win outside of Sec 6 IMHO
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Old 12-22-2017, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay View Post
CLT-LAX-HNL-LAX-CLT or PHL-PHX-HNL-PHX-PHL...mighty efficient.
Somethings going on with the PHX 767. Bid out today shows 80 captains in PHX as of August 18. When I left there were 65.

I think you would see the routing you posted happen in the non summer months. PHL will be busy with all the new European flying coming in April and May.
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Old 12-22-2017, 07:42 PM
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Not sure electronic notifications are going to be all that great. We need some serious RA and RO language in section 6.


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Old 12-22-2017, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik View Post
I’d wait to see what APA gave for all of this.
Company’s initial figure was $30mil. Not included in any of the literature now.
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Old 12-23-2017, 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Cheddar View Post
Not sure electronic notifications are going to be all that great. We need some serious RA and RO language in section 6.


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This is important.

All APA has done since I’ve been here is negotiate really ****ty language on everything-and play like it’s all the company’s fault.
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