Avg Calendar Day, LOS approved
12-23-2017, 05:15 AM
#31
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We just went from the worst rigs amongst major airlines to the best (barring SWA). We got an 8% raise, small profit sharing, duty rigs, and LOS in one year, outside section 6. APA has their flaws but please point to any other pilot group that has made similar gains outside section 6. I know you want Delta everything plus 15% with bullet proof language but we are not in negotiations yet.
If you are still ****ed in 2022 then you have a legitimate complaint.
If you are still ****ed in 2022 then you have a legitimate complaint.
12-23-2017, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Laker24
We just went from the worst rigs amongst major airlines to the best (barring SWA). We got an 8% raise, small profit sharing, duty rigs, and LOS in one year, outside section 6. APA has their flaws but please point to any other pilot group that has made similar gains outside section 6. I know you want Delta everything plus 15% with bullet proof language but we are not in negotiations yet.
If you are still ****ed in 2022 then you have a legitimate complaint.
If you are still ****ed in 2022 then you have a legitimate complaint.
Agree 100%. To say APA is weak after the year we’ve had is ludicrous.
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12-27-2017, 08:43 AM
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Looks like it's going to be voted down by the BOD. What an epic fail. I'm not sure what the BOD has in store for plan B. I'm sure they got the memo that their is no longer a holiday scheduling crisis. No float won't surprise the company one year later. So where's our leverage? Looks like we are
back to 3 day trips which pay 11 hours and the worst LOS language in the industry. It seems like such a no brainer to clear items from want list prior to section 6. Surprisingly rumor has it that a rep from LAX and MIA are against this. Two bases with some of the worst slash trips.
back to 3 day trips which pay 11 hours and the worst LOS language in the industry. It seems like such a no brainer to clear items from want list prior to section 6. Surprisingly rumor has it that a rep from LAX and MIA are against this. Two bases with some of the worst slash trips.
12-27-2017, 09:04 AM
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The APA, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
One step forward, 3 steps back. This is political posturing by some BOD members that are burr hurt by the success Carey has had. Watch for a move to vote Carey out and one of the BOD run for President. And watch the failures repeat, ad nauseum.
One step forward, 3 steps back. This is political posturing by some BOD members that are burr hurt by the success Carey has had. Watch for a move to vote Carey out and one of the BOD run for President. And watch the failures repeat, ad nauseum.
12-27-2017, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Laker24
Looks like it's going to be voted down by the BOD. What an epic fail. I'm not sure what the BOD has in store for plan B. I'm sure they got the memo that their is no longer a holiday scheduling crisis. No float won't surprise the company one year later. So where's our leverage? Looks like we are
back to 3 day trips which pay 11 hours and the worst LOS language in the industry. It seems like such a no brainer to clear items from want list prior to section 6. Surprisingly rumor has it that a rep from LAX and MIA are against this. Two bases with some of the worst slash trips.
back to 3 day trips which pay 11 hours and the worst LOS language in the industry. It seems like such a no brainer to clear items from want list prior to section 6. Surprisingly rumor has it that a rep from LAX and MIA are against this. Two bases with some of the worst slash trips.
I went over there and they are all against it, but what’s new. There’s like 40 of them that post, and they pretend they represent the masses. Bunch of blowhards with like 30,000+ posts each who are seriously addicted to pontificating online. Almost feel sorry for them.
I’m sure hope it passes too. I sent a soundoff. It’s really all we can do. I also hope our reps take their time to read the “gives” and make a informed decision. I don’t see the rush.
I seriously doubt they can vote this down. I feel it’s more grandstanding like when they weren’t gonna accept profit sharing (really?!?). Between the LOS guys and all of us doing slash trips continually, that a giant beehive to agitate. I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt that they can’t be that stupid.
12-27-2017, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
If this gets voted down we need to do whatever it takes to get alpa on property.
The current structure is too political. Reminds me of congress. Vote along party lines instead of what's best for the pilot group.
12-27-2017, 12:57 PM
#39
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Originally Posted by AFTrainerGuy
Honest ?... where are you getting this from? C&R?
I went over there and they are all against it, but what’s new. There’s like 40 of them that post, and they pretend they represent the masses. Bunch of blowhards with like 30,000+ posts each who are seriously addicted to pontificating online. Almost feel sorry for them.
I’m sure hope it passes too. I sent a soundoff. It’s really all we can do. I also hope our reps take their time to read the “gives” and make a informed decision. I don’t see the rush.
I seriously doubt they can vote this down. I feel it’s more grandstanding like when they weren’t gonna accept profit sharing (really?!?). Between the LOS guys and all of us doing slash trips continually, that a giant beehive to agitate. I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt that they can’t be that stupid.
I went over there and they are all against it, but what’s new. There’s like 40 of them that post, and they pretend they represent the masses. Bunch of blowhards with like 30,000+ posts each who are seriously addicted to pontificating online. Almost feel sorry for them.
I’m sure hope it passes too. I sent a soundoff. It’s really all we can do. I also hope our reps take their time to read the “gives” and make a informed decision. I don’t see the rush.
I seriously doubt they can vote this down. I feel it’s more grandstanding like when they weren’t gonna accept profit sharing (really?!?). Between the LOS guys and all of us doing slash trips continually, that a giant beehive to agitate. I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt that they can’t be that stupid.
12-27-2017, 02:13 PM
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Avg Calendar Day, LOS approved
Originally Posted by cactusmike
I understand that this may cause a staffing shortage of about 150 pilots needed to fly the extra hours imposed by the new rig. By keeping the present hours and paying us the difference via PNC the company could stay on the timetable announced for full,implementation yet compensate us for the woeful contract we are under. I understand why we are here.
Flow pilots from Envoy at 50% contractual rate vs the current metering below contract minimums or the 25/month minimum. When there is a will in Mgmt to get something done there is a way.
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