UPTme

Jcountry: 5.25 (5:15) x 17 = 89.25.

30 - 17= 13.
Thus, PBS can not build you a line with fewer than 13 days off.

....Back to 'notbr' and 'The Donald' posts on CnR.

PRS Guitars

I agree that we need improvements, but when you make a statement like that about ACD, you lose all credibility. You listened to the PHL reps too much. They were so against the deal that they started making ACD sound like a bad deal. It is an improvement, despite the concessions.

Speaking of concessions what gives are we giving in section 6 for ACD? I wasn’t aware of that, I’ll have to check the LOA.

aa73

jcountry - nobody here is disputing the fact that our contract is substandard, nor defending the union. I agree wholeheartedly that we have much work to do. But to sit here and say that our contract is worse than Mesa’s (totally laughable) as well as claiming that ACD was actually a bad deal (completely false) completely undermines your credibility.

Again, I fully agree that we have work to do and I actually think that securing ACD and full LOS was the first really good gain APA has secured outside of Sec 6... if anything, it represents exactly the opposite of decades of APA’s “our way is the best way” and more closely aligns us to what delta and United have in their contracts. But yes we have ways to go, but at least these items are now off the table. That is progress. What we gave up in exchange was not concessions but rather a defined roadmap to getting what we actually already agreed to in the JCBA... previously, we had none. That is hardly a concession.

Frip

You said we agreed to ACARS Notificcatin and the scheduling rules as part of the Christmas open time fiasco.

I said we didn't, they was already agreed to, which they were.

I didn't say either was desirable, or even "ok". OTOH, just because it wasn't allowed contractually at the other p,ace doesn't mean itus the end of the world. I too was "acquired" and could point to dozens of really desirable contractual items APA has no clue about. NIH reigns supreme.

At least the concept of trip ownership seems to be gaining some traction.

You said that ACD was some sort of concession, which it isn't, in any way.

You said that we somehow traded something in Section 6, but haven't explained what or how.

p.s. The Christmas Debacle wasn't really worth as much leveragewise as some folks like to make it out to be. If we didn't "do" anything, they'd have just dealt with it other ways, and blamed us in the press, and life would go on.

Rawhide16

Why is it that every single topic consistently devolves into a JCBA/APA/management sucks ***** session. Take your conversation elsewhere and try to stay on target.

GucciBoy

Not sure this is germane to the discussion, but there exists no “window” for short call at Delta. The contract specifies only that you are “promptly available.” Google says ~2:30 to drive it, I think that would pass most people’s sniff test.


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Dolphinflyer

Yup, always the Drama Queen.

Rawhide16

Who are you referring to?

Dolphinflyer

Definitley not you.

texinc

Hey Otis, just watch for road construction on the interstate at the 85/385 exchange in Greenville and near Spartanburg right now . . . Maybe check out some alternate routes and if you haven't settled into a house/apartment yet, pick one on the east side of Greenville or Greer area. Same thing for getting home if you are on a tight schedule, I85 is pretty backed up from CLT to Gastonia most weekday afternoons.