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07-02-2018, 07:54 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by redbaronahp
The CRJ 200 has got to be one of the most hated passenger planes within any passenger network. I think they should be parked, but I’m not a fan of providing any scope relief. The CRJ 900 has more first class seats than the A319 to make it a regional aircraft. I think the vast majority of flying should be done by AA.
No matter what else is offered.
One of the reasons I would kind of favor a contract extension.
Our contract is complete crap. But to fix a lot of the bad stuff, the company would definitely want scope relief. And the old bastards would vote overwhelmingly in favor of it. An extension would mean more of them would be retired.
The more of them retire, the better our group will get overall. Most of them are bitter and angry about the way stuff has gone since 9-11. While that is understandable, most of them have no desire to leave the place in better shape.
I have literally heard “screw whatever happens next, I’m getting mine before I get out.” That statement applies to more than scope, it applies to NAI, ME3, and single pilot.
Just retire. Every time one of those “screw the future” guys retires, our industry gets a little better.
I really do hear that. Just flew with one last week.
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07-02-2018, 09:06 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by jcountry
Scope relief is an absolute no-go.
No matter what else is offered.
One of the reasons I would kind of favor a contract extension.
Our contract is complete crap. But to fix a lot of the bad stuff, the company would definitely want scope relief. And the old bastards would vote overwhelmingly in favor of it. An extension would mean more of them would be retired.
The more of them retire, the better our group will get overall. Most of them are bitter and angry about the way stuff has gone since 9-11. While that is understandable, most of them have no desire to leave the place in better shape.
I have literally heard “screw whatever happens next, I’m getting mine before I get out.” That statement applies to more than scope, it applies to NAI, ME3, and single pilot.
Just retire. Every time one of those “screw the future” guys retires, our industry gets a little better.
I really do hear that. Just flew with one last week.
No matter what else is offered.
One of the reasons I would kind of favor a contract extension.
Our contract is complete crap. But to fix a lot of the bad stuff, the company would definitely want scope relief. And the old bastards would vote overwhelmingly in favor of it. An extension would mean more of them would be retired.
The more of them retire, the better our group will get overall. Most of them are bitter and angry about the way stuff has gone since 9-11. While that is understandable, most of them have no desire to leave the place in better shape.
I have literally heard “screw whatever happens next, I’m getting mine before I get out.” That statement applies to more than scope, it applies to NAI, ME3, and single pilot.
Just retire. Every time one of those “screw the future” guys retires, our industry gets a little better.
I really do hear that. Just flew with one last week.
I know a few AA military new hires. The ones who haven’t done airlines before are all about giving up scope “because the loads are always full now and anything that can help the company become more profitable is good.”
07-02-2018, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
They’re not the only ones...
I know a few AA military new hires. The ones who haven’t done airlines before are all about giving up scope “because the loads are always full now and anything that can help the company become more profitable is good.”
I know a few AA military new hires. The ones who haven’t done airlines before are all about giving up scope “because the loads are always full now and anything that can help the company become more profitable is good.”
07-02-2018, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by redbaronahp
Military pilots are good pilots but the ones that didn’t spend any time at a regional while waiting for the offer from mainline have no clue and some don’t care about the struggle of regional pilots. I’m 100% for tightening the scope clause and not loosening it. Shrink the regional airlines!
With that said I have from some former regional guys who dont want to do that kind of flying since they have already done it. Those are the guys you should be afraid of.
07-02-2018, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by sherpster
Military guys are the last ones for getting rid of scope. I havent heard that from even 1 military guy. 99% of us mil guys will fly a kite if it pays enough.
With that said I have from some former regional guys who dont want to do that kind of flying since they have already done it. Those are the guys you should be afraid of.
With that said I have from some former regional guys who dont want to do that kind of flying since they have already done it. Those are the guys you should be afraid of.
07-02-2018, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Name User
Not to mention as rates go up their debt mostly remains fixed and with our cash on hand earning that rate or better it's essentially a wash.
Debt isn't worrisome as long as you have the ability to pay. What does irk me is they didn't use the income to invest in additional revenue but to buy back stock which has little tangible value and won't help us weather a downturn. With the airlines being as cyclical as they are it just doesn't make long term sense. In fact it rarely never does, 95% of buy backs occur at peak stock price.
The other thing is it shows a lack of consideration to the employees. If the company was smart and frugal with their money, when times are bad I'd be fine taking a pay cut to help out. They lost pretty much any goodwill they have given out by pay raises by all the wasted money they've thrown around at stupid #### that doesn't bring in revenue or improve our financial health.
Post of the day! Some people don’t understand the basics. This guy does.
Hell, this nation is successful and debt heavy! It’s the “American Way,” lots of debt heavy successful citizens (homeowners, lawyers, doctors, entertainers, CEOs) and many corporations! It’s the America way to leverage everything now for opportunity growth. We buy everything on credit (education, vehicles, careers, marriage, homes), including electing a peculiar President, for that personal financial “growth.”
07-02-2018, 03:04 PM
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And that is why I asked my original question. The 80’s and 190’s are going away in the next 1 to 2 years and I don’t want to relax the scope to allow more RJ’s. The replacement options are 737-700’s or A319’s which aren’t as efficient as the 195-E2 or CS-100/300.
07-03-2018, 03:44 PM
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Isom has mentioned in more than one crew news that they need a 100-130 seat airplane to fill in the gap and replace the E190/S80. They planned on A319Neos, but the Airbus majority acquisition of the C-Series and creation of the CSALP has probably killed the 319. Airbus has already stated that they would much rather sell 320/321 Neos as opposed to 319’s because of the higher margins. Also, I don’t think there are more than 10 A319Neos on order anywhere. It’s a loser for Airbus.
Boeing doesn’t have a 100 seat offering and I think at some point we will see A210’s and A230’s running around as part of future Airbus narrowbody deals. That’s unless we can buy every late model/slightly used 319 out there.
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Boeing doesn’t have a 100 seat offering and I think at some point we will see A210’s and A230’s running around as part of future Airbus narrowbody deals. That’s unless we can buy every late model/slightly used 319 out there.
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07-03-2018, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jcountry
Scope relief is an absolute no-go.
No matter what else is offered.
One of the reasons I would kind of favor a contract extension.
Our contract is complete crap. But to fix a lot of the bad stuff, the company would definitely want scope relief. And the old bastards would vote overwhelmingly in favor of it. An extension would mean more of them would be retired.
The more of them retire, the better our group will get overall. Most of them are bitter and angry about the way stuff has gone since 9-11. While that is understandable, most of them have no desire to leave the place in better shape.
I have literally heard “screw whatever happens next, I’m getting mine before I get out.” That statement applies to more than scope, it applies to NAI, ME3, and single pilot.
Just retire. Every time one of those “screw the future” guys retires, our industry gets a little better.
I really do hear that. Just flew with one last week.
No matter what else is offered.
One of the reasons I would kind of favor a contract extension.
Our contract is complete crap. But to fix a lot of the bad stuff, the company would definitely want scope relief. And the old bastards would vote overwhelmingly in favor of it. An extension would mean more of them would be retired.
The more of them retire, the better our group will get overall. Most of them are bitter and angry about the way stuff has gone since 9-11. While that is understandable, most of them have no desire to leave the place in better shape.
I have literally heard “screw whatever happens next, I’m getting mine before I get out.” That statement applies to more than scope, it applies to NAI, ME3, and single pilot.
Just retire. Every time one of those “screw the future” guys retires, our industry gets a little better.
I really do hear that. Just flew with one last week.
07-03-2018, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by redbaronahp
That’s good to hear. My comment stems from a common joke among regional pilots that comes from jumpseating on any mainline. The military mainline pilots turn around and say, “hey, you know we are hiring. You should apply,” which goes over about as well as farting in the cockpit. It’s not that easy to escape the regionals when actively trying to move up to mainline. Pay me enough and I too would fly a kite for the rest of my career.
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