Same attitude about the light switches and the seat belt sign. Only the mighty Captain may touch or command the movement. Even traditional conservative operators (e.g. BA, Cx) are further ahead in the PF/PNF concept than GSW.

Heard the check airmen had an hour long henhouse Fest about those two "issues". Thank God there are no other problems in life.

Which is funny, because enough of us have lived through the era when the smartest analysts thought "don't call out normal stuff" was the Gold Standard.

We're now living in a new Gold Standard which is why we're cynical, especially when someone says "but this is THE way!" Yeah, our brains eventually get wrapped around it but I have to wonder if they took the previous expert out to the woods and shot him?

We've lived through -

Lots of immediate action checklists
to less immediate action checklists
to using checklists
to just doing it
to doing it from memory without checklists
and now - having a printed checklist in all aircraft that you do first.

Between different schools of thought in the industry, different manufacturers theories and checklists philosophies, to different management, it becomes a blur after awhile.

Years ago "we're doing xyz." Nope, we're can't. "Why not?" Because they say don't to that. "Since when?" I don't know, for at least the five years I've been here? "Seriously, they took that out of the book?"

Oral - Designee and I disagree. New CKA observing. We get the book out. Designee was wrong. They'd changed the book. To me it was the way it was. Simple. To the CKA it was a change. Throw out the old and remember the new.

Isn’t this called progression?

That would be a.b.normal and entirely deserving of the required call out, which is "Go Around"

Four Lights is a -9 "thing", reverse, and unnecessary, and never been in the book, and very common.

Are you a LAA CA?

Do you have any site you support your comment regarding "the widest coach seats in the industry"?

Seatguru.com -

CS100 - 17"
AA's fleet -
737-800 16.9-17.3
MAX 16.6-17.8
321 17-18" standard

E190 - 16.5"

E190-E2 - 18.3" (Embraer site)


The CS100 has 20% middle seats with 17" width.
The E190-E2 has no middle seats with 18.3" width.

Hahahahahha. BA? The handling, but non-landing pilot, communicating with the non-handling and non-landing pilot, both trying not to distract the non-handling but landing pilot? All before the non-landing handling pilot transitions to the non-landing non-handling pilot while the non-handling landing pilot reverts to the handling landing pilot?

There's a BA version that's out there that's hysterically confusing but apparently correct.

No. We USED to call out the stuff. Then the experts decided "this is dumb" and we STOPPED calling it out. Now it's come back in vogue to call it out.

Is it really progression if the forward progress reverts to the original position that the experts decided was superfluous?

Dude you’re getting paid 200, 300, $400k. Who gives a sh$t?? Unstable approaches are a big contributor to runway overruns. Making the PF verbalize “stable” is a way to call attention to a potentially dangerous approach. I don’t think any professional pilot plans on landing 30kts fast and running off the runway. Yet it happens. Personally I’m on board with any callout or procedure that may help trap errors when I’m having a bad day.