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Old 07-30-2018, 04:35 AM
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Waiting for a call from AA and currently live south of BWI. Was curious about equipment choice should I get hired and what a good 1-2 year plan would be.

The 190 seems likely out of training and fast seniority progression but 2 hr drive. DCA is about an hour drive but tough seniority-wise.

Would it be best to just try to get to DCA on a big jet or hang out on the 190 for a while then bid into DCA when my seniority is better. Also how long to CA on the 190?

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Old 07-30-2018, 05:30 AM
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If you get on the 190 you won't be able to get off anytime soon because they will withhold you.

DCA 737 has JUN18 people awarded it on the latest bid. Hasn't been offered to a new hire class any time recently that I can remember. So you would have to bid something else like LGA 737 and transfer.

190 CA has JUL17 hire awarded on latest bid.

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I was hired Jan 2017. I’m 21% PHL E190 FO, currently being withheld from an Airbus award. I would be 94% UDC 320 FO and 71% DCA 737 FO.

The most junior E190 captain awarded on the latest bid was hired in July 2017.
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So would there be any advantage to staying in the 190, upgrading to CA and then move to the 737 as an FO when the pay is the same?


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It depends on how much training you feel like doing. If the commute is better to DCA, I would recommend a 737 bid then transfer in. If you want a better schedule and don’t mind going through training in the following year, go 190. Another thing to consider is the 190 is scheduled to retire in 2020
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Originally Posted by flydc View Post
I was hired Jan 2017. I’m 21% PHL E190 FO, currently being withheld from an Airbus award. I would be 94% UDC 320 FO and 71% DCA 737 FO.

The most junior E190 captain awarded on the latest bid was hired in July 2017.
I start in the Aug 7 class. Will someone please explain the DCA/UDC thing. I think I read something like UDC=KDCA and DCA=KIAD or something weird like that.

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It depends on how much training you feel like doing. If the commute is better to DCA, I would recommend a 737 bid then transfer in. If you want a better schedule and don’t mind going through training in the following year, go 190. Another thing to consider is the 190 is scheduled to retire in 2020
Why do you say the say the 190 is a better schedule? Do you mean for someone that lives nearby or even for commuters?
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Originally Posted by redbaronahp View Post
Will someone please explain the DCA/UDC thing.
It's a roadblock from the merger. Simply put,
DCA = 737 at DCA
UDC = 320 at DCA
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Originally Posted by redbaronahp View Post
I start in the Aug 7 class. Will someone please explain the DCA/UDC thing. I think I read something like UDC=KDCA and DCA=KIAD or something weird like that.



Why do you say the say the 190 is a better schedule? Do you mean for someone that lives nearby or even for commuters?
I mean better schedule with regards to relative seniority.
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DCA/UDC 737/320 apparently have different percentages of their flying from different co-terminal airports. So there’s something to consider or investigate before you chose a fleet.
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Drive to work if you can.

That said, probably not getting DCA out of new hire class. If you can, great. If not, there has to be a vacancy in order to transfer in to a different base, and you have to have the seniority to be awarded that vacancy.

DCA has not been "junior", but things change fast when things are moving and there are often some outlier junior preferences awarded.

That makes taking the 73/320 job in another base hoping for a quick move to where you actually want to be a gamble, and one that is entirely dependent on what everyine else does.

OTOH, if you are on the 190 when they get parked, and wait to get displaced, you can displace into a status where there is anyone junior to you with no seat lock.
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