737 vs 320 for New Hire
01-09-2019, 05:37 PM
#151
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
Maybe the fact that the turbo prop designed in 1980 I flew has a better designed cockpit?
(Fokker 50)
(Fokker 50)
Honestly, I cant believe this is still a discussion. Seniority/QOL/pay should be the only things anyone considers in selecting what to bid.
I'd go back and fly the Shorts 360 again, for the right pay and QOL. I've flown the bus and the 73 (and the very "super" 80). all of them were fine airplanes.
My only "career airplane regrets" are that I'll never get to fly an L-1011, or an RB211 powered 757, or an Electra before I retire. But I'll somehow manage to work through the pain.
01-09-2019, 05:38 PM
#152
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Originally Posted by EMBFlyer
Is the cockpit that of a DC-10 or L-1011? No. I'm 6'2" and by no means small, and I'm ok it.
Yeah, the Block 1 airplanes are loud, but the newer ones aren't that bad. Tons of Airbus guys talk about noise cancelling headsets, too.
HVAC may have sucked in the -300s (or -200s or any classic), but I think it's great in the -800. Occasionally, you have to run the packs off the APU on the ground in the summer, but I normally stay comfy in it.
No tray table? Meh.
No side stick? GREAT! I enjoy having a tactile feel of what the airplane is doing.
Yeah, the Block 1 airplanes are loud, but the newer ones aren't that bad. Tons of Airbus guys talk about noise cancelling headsets, too.
HVAC may have sucked in the -300s (or -200s or any classic), but I think it's great in the -800. Occasionally, you have to run the packs off the APU on the ground in the summer, but I normally stay comfy in it.
No tray table? Meh.
No side stick? GREAT! I enjoy having a tactile feel of what the airplane is doing.
Through the artificial feel computer! NGs still have that? Anyway, fake feel!
01-09-2019, 05:44 PM
#153
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Originally Posted by Photon1
Decaf may be in order!!
I was just jiving. Thats fine if people want to say a jet sucks because of some minor inconveniences. Me, I have loved every plane I have ever flown. None of them were perfect. I guess my love of flying outweighs my sense of complaining and namecalling aircraft. Especially ones that have gotten me on deck safely 100% of the time. Loudness, small cockpit, no tray table or sidestick, etc, these things dont define a jet as "sucking" in my opinion. Airline flying is the easiest job I have ever had. I love it. I love the 73. I have no problem going into combat each day with that damn box on my descent. I take it as a challenge and love the match. I feel good in a tight cockpit. I can put my legs up. I can recline the seat. All is good. I got me a good headset, no more loud cockpit. Pretty easy stuff. And when I move the yoke left, airplane rolls left. Pull back, airplanes nose picks up. Amazing. The ole horse has brought me home every single time. No complaints.
I was just jiving. Thats fine if people want to say a jet sucks because of some minor inconveniences. Me, I have loved every plane I have ever flown. None of them were perfect. I guess my love of flying outweighs my sense of complaining and namecalling aircraft. Especially ones that have gotten me on deck safely 100% of the time. Loudness, small cockpit, no tray table or sidestick, etc, these things dont define a jet as "sucking" in my opinion. Airline flying is the easiest job I have ever had. I love it. I love the 73. I have no problem going into combat each day with that damn box on my descent. I take it as a challenge and love the match. I feel good in a tight cockpit. I can put my legs up. I can recline the seat. All is good. I got me a good headset, no more loud cockpit. Pretty easy stuff. And when I move the yoke left, airplane rolls left. Pull back, airplanes nose picks up. Amazing. The ole horse has brought me home every single time. No complaints.
Wow, and I thought I had a drinking problem. Hyperbole much?
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01-09-2019, 05:56 PM
#155
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Agree. Ergonomics and side stick??? What, the 2-3 minutes its actually touched er gripped? Tray table?
I dont eat the slop anyway so irrelevant to me. People can disagree on creature comforts or their ability to adapt, but i assure you that the 737, at least the 800s, dont suck as airplanes, else they wouldn't be as successful as they are. If you are of that opinion, well thats not illegal, but i think its pretty juvenile to answer a new hire that an airplane sucks just because you despise it ergonomically or noise wise or whatever creature comfort you dont find. At least Sliceback and others were diplomatic and rational about it with well thought out and genuine answers versus Al's "it sucks" and nothing else definitive statement. Im a 73 guy but have jumpseated on Airbus more than i can count. Personally, there is no draw to it. But i dont go around saying it sucks. Im sure it too is a fine airplane that may have some better features than a 73. But i have yet to experience anything on the 73 to make me desire a change. I would agree with the consensus that says go for QOL over a specific platform. Most pilots would probably attain happiness on either airplane. There will always be a Negative Nancy running around.
I dont eat the slop anyway so irrelevant to me. People can disagree on creature comforts or their ability to adapt, but i assure you that the 737, at least the 800s, dont suck as airplanes, else they wouldn't be as successful as they are. If you are of that opinion, well thats not illegal, but i think its pretty juvenile to answer a new hire that an airplane sucks just because you despise it ergonomically or noise wise or whatever creature comfort you dont find. At least Sliceback and others were diplomatic and rational about it with well thought out and genuine answers versus Al's "it sucks" and nothing else definitive statement. Im a 73 guy but have jumpseated on Airbus more than i can count. Personally, there is no draw to it. But i dont go around saying it sucks. Im sure it too is a fine airplane that may have some better features than a 73. But i have yet to experience anything on the 73 to make me desire a change. I would agree with the consensus that says go for QOL over a specific platform. Most pilots would probably attain happiness on either airplane. There will always be a Negative Nancy running around.
01-10-2019, 08:48 AM
#158
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Originally Posted by Photon1
Agree. Ergonomics and side stick??? What, the 2-3 minutes its actually touched er gripped? Tray table?
I dont eat the slop anyway so irrelevant to me. People can disagree on creature comforts or their ability to adapt, but i assure you that the 737, at least the 800s, dont suck as airplanes, else they wouldn't be as successful as they are. If you are of that opinion, well thats not illegal, but i think its pretty juvenile to answer a new hire that an airplane sucks just because you despise it ergonomically or noise wise or whatever creature comfort you dont find. At least Sliceback and others were diplomatic and rational about it with well thought out and genuine answers versus Al's "it sucks" and nothing else definitive statement. Im a 73 guy but have jumpseated on Airbus more than i can count. Personally, there is no draw to it. But i dont go around saying it sucks. Im sure it too is a fine airplane that may have some better features than a 73. But i have yet to experience anything on the 73 to make me desire a change. I would agree with the consensus that says go for QOL over a specific platform. Most pilots would probably attain happiness on either airplane. There will always be a Negative Nancy running around.
I dont eat the slop anyway so irrelevant to me. People can disagree on creature comforts or their ability to adapt, but i assure you that the 737, at least the 800s, dont suck as airplanes, else they wouldn't be as successful as they are. If you are of that opinion, well thats not illegal, but i think its pretty juvenile to answer a new hire that an airplane sucks just because you despise it ergonomically or noise wise or whatever creature comfort you dont find. At least Sliceback and others were diplomatic and rational about it with well thought out and genuine answers versus Al's "it sucks" and nothing else definitive statement. Im a 73 guy but have jumpseated on Airbus more than i can count. Personally, there is no draw to it. But i dont go around saying it sucks. Im sure it too is a fine airplane that may have some better features than a 73. But i have yet to experience anything on the 73 to make me desire a change. I would agree with the consensus that says go for QOL over a specific platform. Most pilots would probably attain happiness on either airplane. There will always be a Negative Nancy running around.
01-10-2019, 10:15 AM
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Non-intuitive, crap system??? I just respectfully disagree. What exactly do you mean? Sorry that i havent been around for years following all the back and forth. Im simply joining the current discussion. I havent flown both. I said i had jumpseated on the airbus more than i can count. I saw pilots pushing buttons and twisting knobs on both. Its not like you are making the airbus do things by voice or just by thinking. Im racking my brain trying to determine what is really so cosmically different. You are correct though, i doubt anyone's mind will be changed. BTW, the MD80 is what i would call outdated, but funny that every single guy i know who flew/flies it, loved it. Worked their ass off but loved it.
01-10-2019, 10:26 AM
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Im not trying to be combative. Maybe i just dont have enough time on the 737 or just havent paid much attention. Just seems to be a pretty simple airplane to fly and intuitive as well. Sorry again if i have missed out on all the particulars.
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