aa73

Off topic (well, kind of.)

What is going on with all the Airbus fume events? Just read we had another one today on PHL-FLL.
Seems like this tends to be unique to the AB fleet.

Buzzlightyear

But it’s got a side stick and a tray table. A table for setting stuff on and Instagramming.

Name User

Just an FYI but they were also really bad on the 767-200. Sent a crew to early retirement and I believe the Capt actually died later.

So, Boeing isn't really immune. One has to wonder if that factored into the 787 bleedless system.

Rockiepilot

I recall the 767 having similar issues. Not an Airbus thing at all.

Arado 234

Enjoy until MCAS kicks in or you see your trim dive you into the ground (Flydubai).

I hate those homoerotic comments justifying having a thick bulky control column stuck between your legs.

aa73

Thx, I hadn’t heard of the 767 event. I know the 737 has had a couple involving deice fumes thru the packs. I guess recently it has been a lot of Busses...

aa73

Arado, that was bad piloting technique on both events and you know it. Please don’t associate crappy piloting with the airplane. Might as well blame AF447 on the airplane too then.

FlyDubai crash required the pilots to FLY the airplane since TOGA is always a manual go around. They got disoriented, plain and simple. I’ve done plenty of those in crap weather and while it’s a handful, it’s nothing we don’t practice in the sim every 9 months.

Lion Air was basically unreliable airspeed/AOA with runaway trim... the right course of action would be to to disable the AP and regular trim using the cutout switches. In fact the prior crew in the prior flight did just that when they encountered the same situation. Yes it was also a crap situation but not unrecoverable.

Bottom line, both fleets have had plenty of crashes that could have been prevented with good piloting and/or CRM, and not due to airplane design.

Speaking of trim and AF447, a major contributor to the crash was the fact that the auto trim ended up trimming the THS full nose up, and would have required at least 30 seconds of full nose down side stick to undo the out of trim situation. Not exactly confidence-inspiring on the part of Airbus...

Oh, btw. I just flew our newest Max last night. Speed trim worked great, gave us a nice smooth flight. It kicked in plenty. Nice quiet cockpit too. ;-)

Photon1

Douchebag extraordinaire.

bigtime209

Or how about this guys? If you like the 737, cool. If you like the bus, cool. If you like whichever equipment gives you the best QOL, cool. If you're happy with what you're on for whatever reason, how about we just leave it at that without trying to convince anyone else otherwise.

Arado 234

It's easier to attack the person than the argument.

Personal attack. Reported.