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Old 01-30-2019, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolf View Post
SWAPA fought NAI as well. I would like to point out our section 1 for your perusal, what you should aspire to.
That is not what I asked...

SWAPA did their own NAI protest which was counter to what ALPA was doing with the white house and state dept ... ALPA asked SWAPA to wait... SWAPA said.. we are doing it anyway... if you are working with the govt to address an issue, you don't publicly slam the govt..


And so I ask you again... how has the in-house unions collaborated with ALPA to make the profession better?

Separately... how has the in-house unions made the profession better on their own.. meaning.. what value to they bring the profession as a whole.. ..

Provide specific examples, as I have done...
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Scope, go get some. Quit deflecting and answer.
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Old 01-30-2019, 03:03 PM
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Scope, go get some. Quit deflecting and answer.
More 'attack the messenger'... so you don't have to discuss...
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Old 01-30-2019, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolf View Post
Go work on Alaska’s section 1. They could really use some of that ALPA mojo, ohh wait, they are ALPA. Go help JB instead, I don’t think they are. If you bring SWAPA some chocolates, they’ll let you take notes on ours.
JB is ALPA, and the reason SWA doesn't outsource is because of their point to point business model.

You might have noticed SWA has basically three sizes of one aircraft type with 143, 150 or 175 seats in one class of service. Delta has nine different aircraft types with 23 different configurations with 109-293 seats and four classes of service. The Delta Connection fleet has 450 additional aircraft with 50-76 seats that feed the network's connecting hubs.

Nice try though.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_fleet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Air_Lines_fleet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Connection
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Old 01-30-2019, 04:57 PM
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We are projected to end 2019 with 775 airframes, including the MAX 7.
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Old 01-30-2019, 05:05 PM
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We are projected to end 2019 with 775 airframes, including the MAX 7.
Not sure if 'we' is SWA, but if so that is great but beside the point.
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Nuh UH!

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Old 01-30-2019, 06:26 PM
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I know JB is ALPA. My beef is with deus not acknowledging the value of section 1 and not willing to answer a few questions. There is no reason to outsource domestic flying.
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There is no reason to outsource domestic flying.
True for a point to point operation like SWA, but a hub and spoke network carrier has an enormous incentive to outsource small jets (formerly small turboprops) for small markets that SWA generally doesn't serve.
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True for a point to point operation like SWA, but a hub and spoke network carrier has an enormous incentive to outsource small jets (formerly small turboprops) for small markets that SWA generally doesn't serve.
Exactly... and the economics of it all are collapsing... will the APA or ALPA be the first to coerce their respective pilot groups' managements to bring it all back in house...

We can debate the issue or make up fake reasons to not ....
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