Cheddar

Lol - no. Let me rephrase that - we need strong a$$ contract language and a strong a$$ union BECAUSE of the management we have.

Poorly worded on my part


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Cheddar

Ok. I’m back with you. All I said was DAL’s JV’s are killing them. I didn’t say ours were great.


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deus ex machina

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Name User

I have no idea about Savoy IL but can speak about the other two. Durango is a pretty decent market for us. When Mesa shut down Air Midwest, Farmington no longer had service so that also all transferred to Durango. Ticket prices are high and competition is limited. Almost 400,000 passengers travel to/from DRO yearly. The area has a lot of money with the gas/oil drilling going on all over the area. For fun, I looked up homes in Durango a year ago and was blown away from when we lived up in that area almost fifteen years ago - the area has really blown up. It's actually a really cool town or at least it was before it was overrun with tourists.

Asheville is a similar airport. Lots of tourism and money there. Less isolated than DRO however with more flights on competitors, but they feed into our CLT hub which is a super short flight. Almost 800,000 enplane and deplanements there.

Contrast that with our money losing flights to international destinations. Didn't we lose $10m a year on our ORD China flying? Too much competition and not enough demand. Delta has seen the writing on the wall and is shifting a lot of their international routes to their JV partners and letting them take the risk. American labor and other operating costs put us out of the running for staying competitive.

aa73

Hey bud. An inaccuracy with the the above. BD White was most definitely furloughed, for the better part of several years. As I recall he was an April 2001 hire which was well into the AA furlough (which started at the Feb 24, 2000 class and on down....approximately 2700 AA pilots and approximately 1200 TWA pilots were furloughed in total.)

That said. I don’t disagree with your claims that ALPA has most certainly not been the poster boy of a model union... not by a long shot. But... this begs the question. Delta and United pilots sure seem to be reaping the rewards of ALPA contracts, and not the first time. APA has trailed them for many decades.

I think it’s long past due that we rejoin... not so much because ALPA is an awesome union that will automatically get us an ILC, but more because APA is so much more broken and ineffective than ALPA would ever be for us.

My opinion only. Hope you are doing well.

AAL24

I don’t think that’s entirely correct. Delta is increasing JV partners and connecting passengers on from Paris, Amsterdam, Seoul with JV partners but delta is also increasing their own international flying. Bastian said they eventually want 50% of revenue to come from international flying. They fly to so many parts of the world that AAL just doesn’t serve. They must have missed the memo that the big money is in season E175 service to Missoula.

http://fortune.com/longform/delta-airlines-ceo-ed-bastian/

It’s no wonder we lose money on long haul. We can’t seem to operate a reliable schedule. Lax-HKG is a perfect example.

Name User

Actually that kind of helps my point. Vasu is searching for the Durangos and Ashevilles of the international market. Low competition and solid demand with good yields.

As for that internal revenue, there is no mention of Delta flying it. Actually, more the opposite:

B757200ER

Okay, I don't disagree with serving domestic markets from our hubs. What I'm getting at, and many have made good points regarding this, is that US Air Carrier WB lift is declining with China/Japan/Europe routes going to code-sharing partners, thereby reducing WB CA/FO seats at our respective major airline.

One of the previous posters remarked our A321s feeding QF A380s, and that is definitely occurring in our major markets.

AA73: My mistake regarding BD White, I see he was furloughed in
'04, but much shorter than the 10-12 years other pilots were on the street (like me).

Cheddar

I’ve known Brad for 15 years. You are flat out wrong in your ‘facts’ concerning him. The other stuff, can’t really argue.

I wish we had a legacy only union.




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Cheddar

One thing Vasu has been good at is finding small market European cities (Prague, Budapest, etc) and introducing service. Prague did so well they are upgrading that from the 76 to the 330. I wish we would do that in Asia as well and maybe even Africa down the road.


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