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beernutt 02-04-2019 10:21 AM

LAX 320 captain seniority
 
Delta guy here with a question and request-



Wondering what the most junior airbus captain seniority in LAX is. Additionally it would be great if someone could provide a copy of the current AA seniority list.


A friend says he can hold it as a late 99 US hire. Just curious.


Thanks

mainlineAF 02-04-2019 10:44 AM

Junior airbus captain is 11,000ish. That could be a late 2012/ early 13 hire for former US guys.

Lax 73 captain is early 2014 hire.

eppnet 02-04-2019 05:13 PM

What make LAX so junior? Why are guys able to upgrade in 5 years?

RhinoBallAuto 02-04-2019 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by eppnet (Post 2756934)
What make LAX so junior? Why are guys able to upgrade in 5 years?

Because living there will cost you your first born....and no one likes commuting

Upntheair27 02-04-2019 05:15 PM

PHL and LGA also have narrow body captains less than 5 years right? Not just LAX


Originally Posted by eppnet (Post 2756934)
What make LAX so junior? Why are guys able to upgrade in 5 years?


eppnet 02-04-2019 05:21 PM

Yeah but I get why people don’t want to live in PHL. LGA is a nightmare to drive in and out. Captain pay in LA doesn’t seem too bad but I get your point.

What other domiciles have Captains in less than 5 years?

Buzzlightyear 02-04-2019 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by eppnet (Post 2756939)
Yeah but I get why people don’t want to live in PHL. LGA is a nightmare to drive in and out. Captain pay in LA doesn’t seem too bad but I get your point.

What other domiciles have Captains in less than 5 years?

It’s the red eyes. The flying there blows.

Flying101 02-04-2019 07:05 PM

MIA Airbus went in the low 11,000... 2013 AA hire.

mainlineAF 02-05-2019 04:16 AM

DCA, MIA, LGA, LAX, and PHL all have around 5 year captains.

kme9418 02-05-2019 04:28 AM


Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear (Post 2756943)
It’s the red eyes. The flying there blows.

I was based at LAX as a new hire 320 FO for the last 7 months (DFW as of 31 Jan). I checked my logbook and I've done only 2 redeyes at American Airlines.

Jul, Aug, Dec-long call
Sep-volunteer TDY short call in PHL
Oct, Nov, Jan-lineholder

nimslow 02-05-2019 05:20 AM


Originally Posted by RhinoBallAuto (Post 2756935)
Because living there will cost you your first born....and no one likes commuting

Living in any of our junior bases will be expensive.

I’d bet the bottom captains will stay about where it is now. Narrowbody reserve sucks, and commuting to reserve pretty much distroys any QOL.

Everyone I know who has enough seniority to have some QOL in the right seat doesn’t want anything to do with Being on reserve as a captain.

B757200ER 02-05-2019 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear (Post 2756943)
It’s the red eyes. The flying there blows.

What ever do you mean? On the 737, only 43% of our trips in LA are red-eyes!:D

blastoff 02-05-2019 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by eppnet (Post 2756934)
What make LAX so junior? Why are guys able to upgrade in 5 years?

At almost every airline the hubs in the "corners" of the country (Florida, Northeast, California) are generally junior to begin with as they offer the highest cost of living and/or longest commutes. Add to that the Retirement wave is beginning to hit AA.

Folks will be upgrading in 3 years sometime in 2020-2021.

Surprise 02-05-2019 09:38 AM

I have another theory that since roughly half of the new hires are flow-throughs, a good portion of them will have already established families and other roots in DFW or the east coast. So flow-throughs, on average, will probably prefer to be based no farther west than DFW. That leaves military and street hires as people who’d potentially want LAX, and probably not that many. As this group starts to upgrade, I bet LAX will continue to be the junior base.

I’m often wrong though...

Name User 02-05-2019 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by Surprise (Post 2757391)
I have another theory that since roughly half of the new hires are flow-throughs, a good portion of them will have already established families and other roots in DFW or the east coast. So flow-throughs, on average, will probably prefer to be based no farther west than DFW. That leaves military and street hires as people who’d potentially want LAX, and probably not that many. As this group starts to upgrade, I bet LAX will continue to be the junior base.

I’m often wrong though...

From what I've seen of the awards, the junior base is the one that has a bunch of upgrades in it. This last round, PHL added a bunch. Could be LGA, or MIA, or LAX next time. Seems it ebbs and flows. Either way, it's refreshing to see the movement, it wasn't that long ago that there were 25 year FOs.

Buzzlightyear 02-05-2019 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by kme9418 (Post 2757130)
I was based at LAX as a new hire 320 FO for the last 7 months (DFW as of 31 Jan). I checked my logbook and I've done only 2 redeyes at American Airlines.

Jul, Aug, Dec-long call
Sep-volunteer TDY short call in PHL
Oct, Nov, Jan-lineholder

On the 737 on LC at LAX I did them weekly. Once I bid SC with early RAPs I did very few.

PRS Guitars 02-05-2019 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by Surprise (Post 2757391)
I have another theory that since roughly half of the new hires are flow-throughs, a good portion of them will have already established families and other roots in DFW or the east coast. So flow-throughs, on average, will probably prefer to be based no farther west than DFW. That leaves military and street hires as people who’d potentially want LAX, and probably not that many. As this group starts to upgrade, I bet LAX will continue to be the junior base.

I’m often wrong though...

I’d wager that a large chunk of military guys want DFW too. Many Air Force pilots get based in TX at some point in their career. There are two UPT bases plus the PIT base, so some meet their wives there. Most become residents for tax purposes, and some are drawn back for taxes or their spouses family.

ShyGuy 02-07-2019 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by beernutt (Post 2756637)
Delta guy here with a question and request-



Wondering what the most junior airbus captain seniority in LAX is. Additionally it would be great if someone could provide a copy of the current AA seniority list.


A friend says he can hold it as a late 99 US hire. Just curious.


Thanks

Yes, lets give a list of 14,000 names and birthdates to some random guy on the internet. I mean, you say you are a Delta guy but you could be just a bot :D

beernutt 02-08-2019 02:37 PM

Do the black helicopters keep you awake at night?

AAL24 02-08-2019 03:13 PM

You seriously expect a stranger to send you a list of all 15,000 AAL pilots with birthdates? You’re dangerous ...

beernutt 02-08-2019 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by AAL24 (Post 2760152)
You seriously expect a stranger to send you a list of all 15,000 AAL pilots with birthdates? You’re dangerous ...


Dangerous? Dangerous and foolish? Like Maverick?


Found it after a little looking but thanks anyway, Iceman.


https://forums.jetcareers.com/attachments/sli-decision-and-award-pdf.36350/

Andrew_VT 02-08-2019 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by beernutt (Post 2760167)
Found it after a little looking but thanks anyway, Iceman.


https://forums.jetcareers.com/attachments/sli-decision-and-award-pdf.36350/

We should place bets about how long it'll take for that to be taken down...

AAL24 02-08-2019 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by beernutt (Post 2760167)
Dangerous? Dangerous and foolish? Like Maverick?


Found it after a little looking but thanks anyway, Iceman.

Come on man...nobody likes a stalker. You said your friend told you he could hold 320 CA as a 99 hire. Maybe I'm going way out on a limb here, but why not ask him for a copy of the list?

jcountry 02-08-2019 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by Andrew_VT (Post 2760231)
We should place bets about how long it'll take for that to be taken down...

Taken down from where?

The public record?

Andrew_VT 02-08-2019 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 2760283)
Taken down from where?

The public record?

Any jackwagon can threaten anyone else with legal action. Most people acquiesce.

Now that I think about it though, the guy that runs that Jetcareers site probably knows his rights regarding that stuff.

rollercoaster 02-08-2019 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by AAL24 (Post 2760264)
Come on man...nobody likes a stalker. You said your friend told you he could hold 320 CA as a 99 hire. Maybe I'm going way out on a limb here, but why not ask him for a copy of the list?

Maybe his friend doesn’t have a list that’s over 3 years old!


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