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Trump banned all 737 Max flights.
Just announced all Max aircraft have been grounded.
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incredible
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And he went on to say:
“I build the best buildings.” “Nobody builds walls better than me.” “I created maybe the greatest brand.” “Trump Steaks are the world’s greatest steaks.” “I have the best [golf] courses in the world.” “My Twitter has become so powerful that I can actually make my enemies tell the truth.” “I know all about knives and belt buckles.” “And I know more about wedges than any human being that’s ever lived.” “I know more about [campaign] contributions than anybody.” “Nobody has better toys than I do.” “Nobody loves the Bible better than I do.” “I’m the king of debt. I understand debt better than probably anybody.” “Nobody knows more about debt than I do.” “I think nobody knows more about taxes than I do, maybe in the history of the world. Nobody knows more about taxes.” “Nobody knows more about taxes than I do — and income than I do.” “I know the details of taxes better than anybody. Better than the greatest C.P.A.” “Nobody even understands it but me. It’s called devaluation.” “Nobody knows more about trade than me.” “I’m really a great negotiator. I know how to negotiate.” “Deals are my art form. I like making deals, preferably big deals.” “Nobody knows banking better than I do” “I understand money better than anybody.” “I know the details of health care better than most, better than most.” “I know more about the big bills than any president that’s ever been in office.” “I know the H1B. I know the H2B. Nobody knows it better than me.” “I know the best people.” “I know the smartest negotiators in the world. I know the good ones. I know the bad ones. I know the overrated ones.” “I’m really good at war.” “I know more about ISIS than the generals do. Believe me.” “Nobody would be tougher on ISIS than Donald Trump.” “Nobody is bigger or better at the military than I am.” “I know more about offense and defense than they will ever understand.” “There’s nobody that understands the horror of nuclear better than me.” “Nobody is fighting for the veterans like I’m fighting for the veterans.” “Nobody’s better to people with disabilities than me.” “There’s nobody more pro-Israel than I am.” “Nobody knows jobs like I do!” “Nobody knows politicians better than I do.” “Nobody knows the game better than I do.” “Nobody knows the system better than me, which is why I alone can fix it.” “Nobody in the history of this country has ever known so much about infrastructure as Donald Trump.” “I know more about renewables than any human being on Earth.” “Nobody’s ever had crowds like [I’ve] had.” “Nobody can do it like me. Nobody. Nobody can do it like me, honestly.” “Nobody is stronger than me.” “It’s all because of me.” “I know words. I have the best words.” |
That’s a lot of quotes bro
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
(Post 2781570)
Then Trump comes along in his usual “bull in a china shop” way, ignoring all reasoning and expert opinions, and costs US companies hundreds of millions of dollars.
The US is pretty late to the game when it comes to grounding the MAX. What if a US MAX went down and Trump/NTSB/FAA had done nothing prior? I’m sure you’d be on here asking why the US DIDN’T ground the aircraft. |
I would care less what Trump thinks. I care what the experts think. If the FAA said a plane should be grounded and Trump overruled them, I would have the same issue.
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Despite what the media is saying, it wasn't Trump; it was the FAA's decision to ground the MAX. Per the FAA website:
The FAA is ordering the temporary grounding of Boeing 737 MAX aircraft (PDF) operated by U.S. airlines or in U.S. territory. The agency made this decision as a result of the data gathering process and new evidence collected at the site and analyzed today. This evidence, together with newly refined satellite data available to FAA this morning, led to this decision. The grounding will remain in effect pending further investigation, including examination of information from the aircraft’s flight data recorders and cockpit voice recorders. An FAA team is in Ethiopia assisting the NTSB as parties to the investigation of the Flight 302 accident. The agency will continue to investigate. |
Originally Posted by iahflyr
(Post 2781570)
We would typically expect a president to defer to the judgment of the FAA and NTSB, who decided there was no reason to ground the airplane.
Then Trump comes along in his usual “bull in a china shop” way, ignoring all reasoning and expert opinions, and costs US companies hundreds of millions of dollars. The googles shows that you are wrong. |
Originally Posted by iahflyr
(Post 2781570)
We would typically expect a president to defer to the judgment of the FAA and NTSB, who decided there was no reason to ground the airplane.
Then Trump comes along in his usual “bull in a china shop” way, ignoring all reasoning and expert opinions, and costs US companies hundreds of millions of dollars. |
When will the US wake up to realize the FAA does not effectively manage the aircraft certification process and is damn near useless?
The manufacturers get it right, or they don't. The Gulfsteam G650 serves as an excellent example. The NTSB uncovered all kinds of absolute garbage where effectively, the airplane was being certified by the marketing dept. The NG turned the secondary pitch controls into kinda the primary pitch control. Even the autopilot has to "trim bias" to flare. Then they added huge nacelles way forward of the CG which destablizes the jet at high AOA and stick an AOA pusher on it to fix what amounts to bad aerodynamic design. The pusher dorks up and guess what, it is hard wired to the most powerful pitch control the jet has and it does not lock itself out with pressure on the control collumn. This is work around bull effluvia in the same style as Douglas. ... The MD90 ended up with a different pitch control system than the MD83. Me thinks this does not get unscrewed with a few lines of code. It is the size, shape and power of a jet which has an elevator fitted in 1966 which controlled a thing with about 30,000 lbs of thrust. Now with twice the power and three times the passenger load it's just been stretched beyond it's design. |
Originally Posted by awax
(Post 2781575)
And he went on to say:
“I build the best buildings.” “Nobody builds walls better than me.” “I created maybe the greatest brand.” “Trump Steaks are the world’s greatest steaks.” “I have the best [golf] courses in the world.” “My Twitter has become so powerful that I can actually make my enemies tell the truth.” “I know all about knives and belt buckles.” “And I know more about wedges than any human being that’s ever lived.” “I know more about [campaign] contributions than anybody.” “Nobody has better toys than I do.” “Nobody loves the Bible better than I do.” “I’m the king of debt. I understand debt better than probably anybody.” “Nobody knows more about debt than I do.” “I think nobody knows more about taxes than I do, maybe in the history of the world. Nobody knows more about taxes.” “Nobody knows more about taxes than I do — and income than I do.” “I know the details of taxes better than anybody. Better than the greatest C.P.A.” “Nobody even understands it but me. It’s called devaluation.” “Nobody knows more about trade than me.” “I’m really a great negotiator. I know how to negotiate.” “Deals are my art form. I like making deals, preferably big deals.” “Nobody knows banking better than I do” “I understand money better than anybody.” “I know the details of health care better than most, better than most.” “I know more about the big bills than any president that’s ever been in office.” “I know the H1B. I know the H2B. Nobody knows it better than me.” “I know the best people.” “I know the smartest negotiators in the world. I know the good ones. I know the bad ones. I know the overrated ones.” “I’m really good at war.” “I know more about ISIS than the generals do. Believe me.” “Nobody would be tougher on ISIS than Donald Trump.” “Nobody is bigger or better at the military than I am.” “I know more about offense and defense than they will ever understand.” “There’s nobody that understands the horror of nuclear better than me.” “Nobody is fighting for the veterans like I’m fighting for the veterans.” “Nobody’s better to people with disabilities than me.” “There’s nobody more pro-Israel than I am.” “Nobody knows jobs like I do!” “Nobody knows politicians better than I do.” “Nobody knows the game better than I do.” “Nobody knows the system better than me, which is why I alone can fix it.” “Nobody in the history of this country has ever known so much about infrastructure as Donald Trump.” “I know more about renewables than any human being on Earth.” “Nobody’s ever had crowds like [I’ve] had.” “Nobody can do it like me. Nobody. Nobody can do it like me, honestly.” “Nobody is stronger than me.” “It’s all because of me.” “I know words. I have the best words.” A few hundred people have been killed in a short period of time in a specific aircraft. I don't think it's unreasonable to ground the fleet until the cause can be determined. Way to inject your politics into the situation though. I'm sure if your boyfriend were one of the casualties, you'd be singing a different tune. |
Originally Posted by iahflyr Then Trump comes along in his usual “bull in a china shop” way, ignoring all reasoning and expert opinions, and costs US companies hundreds of millions of dollars. |
Do we have enough spares / non-utilized aircraft to cover the 20ish max aircraft that are grounded ?
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Originally Posted by Ijustlikeflying
(Post 2781875)
Do we have enough spares / non-utilized aircraft to cover the 20ish max aircraft that are grounded ?
A lot of the 737 Max stuff is MIA-Caribbean. Lots of stuff cancelled right now. Going to be a helluva spring break for people. |
Originally Posted by awax
(Post 2781575)
And he went on to say:
“I build the best buildings.” “Nobody builds walls better than me.” “I created maybe the greatest brand.” “Trump Steaks are the world’s greatest steaks.” “I have the best [golf] courses in the world.” “My Twitter has become so powerful that I can actually make my enemies tell the truth.” “I know all about knives and belt buckles.” “And I know more about wedges than any human being that’s ever lived.” “I know more about [campaign] contributions than anybody.” “Nobody has better toys than I do.” “Nobody loves the Bible better than I do.” “I’m the king of debt. I understand debt better than probably anybody.” “Nobody knows more about debt than I do.” “I think nobody knows more about taxes than I do, maybe in the history of the world. Nobody knows more about taxes.” “Nobody knows more about taxes than I do — and income than I do.” “I know the details of taxes better than anybody. Better than the greatest C.P.A.” “Nobody even understands it but me. It’s called devaluation.” “Nobody knows more about trade than me.” “I’m really a great negotiator. I know how to negotiate.” “Deals are my art form. I like making deals, preferably big deals.” “Nobody knows banking better than I do” “I understand money better than anybody.” “I know the details of health care better than most, better than most.” “I know more about the big bills than any president that’s ever been in office.” “I know the H1B. I know the H2B. Nobody knows it better than me.” “I know the best people.” “I know the smartest negotiators in the world. I know the good ones. I know the bad ones. I know the overrated ones.” “I’m really good at war.” “I know more about ISIS than the generals do. Believe me.” “Nobody would be tougher on ISIS than Donald Trump.” “Nobody is bigger or better at the military than I am.” “I know more about offense and defense than they will ever understand.” “There’s nobody that understands the horror of nuclear better than me.” “Nobody is fighting for the veterans like I’m fighting for the veterans.” “Nobody’s better to people with disabilities than me.” “There’s nobody more pro-Israel than I am.” “Nobody knows jobs like I do!” “Nobody knows politicians better than I do.” “Nobody knows the game better than I do.” “Nobody knows the system better than me, which is why I alone can fix it.” “Nobody in the history of this country has ever known so much about infrastructure as Donald Trump.” “I know more about renewables than any human being on Earth.” “Nobody’s ever had crowds like [I’ve] had.” “Nobody can do it like me. Nobody. Nobody can do it like me, honestly.” “Nobody is stronger than me.” “It’s all because of me.” “I know words. I have the best words.” Reee!! The Russians told Trump to ban the 737 |
Originally Posted by fortyeight
(Post 2781612)
So you basically just declared profits over safety. Nice.
The US is pretty late to the game when it comes to grounding the MAX. What if a US MAX went down and Trump/NTSB/FAA had done nothing prior? I’m sure you’d be on here asking why the US DIDN’T ground the aircraft. |
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 2781932)
I think US crews would have pulled the stab trim electric cutoff switches.
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 2781932)
I think US crews would have pulled the stab trim electric cutoff switches.
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Originally Posted by ryane946
(Post 2781619)
I would care less what Trump thinks. I care what the experts think. If the FAA said a plane should be grounded and Trump overruled them, I would have the same issue.
That good enough 4 U? |
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 2781932)
I think US crews would have pulled the stab trim electric cutoff switches.
Im guessing your not in training. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 2781777)
When will the US wake up to realize the FAA does not effectively manage the aircraft certification process and is damn near useless?
The manufacturers get it right, or they don't. The Gulfsteam G650 serves as an excellent example. The NTSB uncovered all kinds of absolute garbage where effectively, the airplane was being certified by the marketing dept. ... |
Originally Posted by awax
(Post 2781575)
And he went on to say:
“I build the best buildings.” “Nobody builds walls better than me.” “I created maybe the greatest brand.” “Trump Steaks are the world’s greatest steaks.” “I have the best [golf] courses in the world.” “My Twitter has become so powerful that I can actually make my enemies tell the truth.” “I know all about knives and belt buckles.” “And I know more about wedges than any human being that’s ever lived.” “I know more about [campaign] contributions than anybody.” “Nobody has better toys than I do.” “Nobody loves the Bible better than I do.” “I’m the king of debt. I understand debt better than probably anybody.” “Nobody knows more about debt than I do.” “I think nobody knows more about taxes than I do, maybe in the history of the world. Nobody knows more about taxes.” “Nobody knows more about taxes than I do — and income than I do.” “I know the details of taxes better than anybody. Better than the greatest C.P.A.” “Nobody even understands it but me. It’s called devaluation.” “Nobody knows more about trade than me.” “I’m really a great negotiator. I know how to negotiate.” “Deals are my art form. I like making deals, preferably big deals.” “Nobody knows banking better than I do” “I understand money better than anybody.” “I know the details of health care better than most, better than most.” “I know more about the big bills than any president that’s ever been in office.” “I know the H1B. I know the H2B. Nobody knows it better than me.” “I know the best people.” “I know the smartest negotiators in the world. I know the good ones. I know the bad ones. I know the overrated ones.” “I’m really good at war.” “I know more about ISIS than the generals do. Believe me.” “Nobody would be tougher on ISIS than Donald Trump.” “Nobody is bigger or better at the military than I am.” “I know more about offense and defense than they will ever understand.” “There’s nobody that understands the horror of nuclear better than me.” “Nobody is fighting for the veterans like I’m fighting for the veterans.” “Nobody’s better to people with disabilities than me.” “There’s nobody more pro-Israel than I am.” “Nobody knows jobs like I do!” “Nobody knows politicians better than I do.” “Nobody knows the game better than I do.” “Nobody knows the system better than me, which is why I alone can fix it.” “Nobody in the history of this country has ever known so much about infrastructure as Donald Trump.” “I know more about renewables than any human being on Earth.” “Nobody’s ever had crowds like [I’ve] had.” “Nobody can do it like me. Nobody. Nobody can do it like me, honestly.” “Nobody is stronger than me.” “It’s all because of me.” “I know words. I have the best words.” |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 2781750)
You just don’t understand! He is smarter than everyone else!
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Originally Posted by Flyboy68
(Post 2782078)
This sounds like melt. Is this a melt?
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Originally Posted by costalpilot
(Post 2782043)
i think its a hellofa reach to think that all 609,000 American pilots would always do the right thing, but youd go with that eh?
Im guessing your not in training. Where in the world did you come up with that number? Or does this include student pilots too? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 2781750)
You just don’t understand! He is smarter than everyone else!
“Very stable genius”...just look at his perfect college transcripts and off-the-chart board test scores...um, oh yeah, never mind! How are those tax returns coming along? |
Originally Posted by disco inferno
(Post 2781778)
I'm going to guess you are the proud owner of one of those pink hats.
A few hundred people have been killed in a short period of time in a specific aircraft. I don't think it's unreasonable to ground the fleet until the cause can be determined. Way to inject your politics into the situation though. I'm sure if your boyfriend were one of the casualties, you'd be singing a different tune. Better a pink hat than a red MAGA one! And at least Putin isn’t the boyfriend of anyone in a pink hat...oh wait, can you count it as “boyfriend” when it’s just a 3am “come over now” call? Poor LittleHands ... he will never be no. 1 with Vlad ... The relevant takeaway from all of these posts is that, in America, elected officials should defer to duly empowered experts. If the experts screw up, there is a remedy, and we can emplace new experts. Countries where the imperial leader make decisions they’re not qualified to make — and we will leave aside what on earth THIS guy would actually be qualified to make — are called dictatorships ... or banana republics. |
Originally Posted by majorpilot
(Post 2782227)
Better a pink hat than a red MAGA one!
And at least Putin isn’t the boyfriend of anyone in a pink hat...oh wait, can you count it as “boyfriend” when it’s just a 3am “come over now” call? Poor LittleHands ... he will never be no. 1 with Vlad ... The relevant takeaway from all of these posts is that, in America, elected officials should defer to duly empowered experts. If the experts screw up, there is a remedy, and we can emplace new experts. Countries where the imperial leader make decisions they’re not qualified to make — and we will leave aside what on earth THIS guy would actually be qualified to make — are called dictatorships ... or banana republics. |
Originally Posted by majorpilot
(Post 2782217)
“Very stable genius”...just look at his perfect college transcripts and off-the-chart board test scores...um, oh yeah, never mind!
How are those tax returns coming along? What is your point except screaming at the sky for the next 5 years. |
Originally Posted by bigtime209
(Post 2781712)
Despite what the media is saying, it wasn't Trump; it was the FAA's decision to ground the MAX. Per the FAA website:
The FAA is ordering the temporary grounding of Boeing 737 MAX aircraft (PDF) operated by U.S. airlines or in U.S. territory. The agency made this decision as a result of the data gathering process and new evidence collected at the site and analyzed today. This evidence, together with newly refined satellite data available to FAA this morning, led to this decision. The grounding will remain in effect pending further investigation, including examination of information from the aircraft’s flight data recorders and cockpit voice recorders. An FAA team is in Ethiopia assisting the NTSB as parties to the investigation of the Flight 302 accident. The agency will continue to investigate. The question I have is whether the FAA knew about MCAS. If they did, why did they decide to withhold the info from operators? Or did Boeing not tell the FAA about it? |
Originally Posted by lowcountryflyer
(Post 2782242)
Steve Jobs was a college drop out as was Bill Gates
What is your point except screaming at the sky for the next 5 years. Gates and Jobs didn’t brag about their intelligence, test scores or grades. Each just went out and created world-changing entities. Your hero brought up his grades and test scores....so ask him what’s his point. And speaking of screaming at the sky, there is enough of that on FoxNews, nothing for you here...just pesky “facts”... |
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Originally Posted by lowcountryflyer
(Post 2782241)
He is simply Making Aviation Great Again - get over it
Yep that shut down sure was a big step to help aviation. I’m sure the next one will be even better! [rolleyes] |
How are mods not deleting these posts yet?
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Originally Posted by Flightcap
(Post 2782271)
How are mods not deleting these posts yet?
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