New flows and checklists
03-21-2019, 11:54 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by jcountry
Doesn’t make any sense on the AB either.
I think this is all the result of some pee pee contest by a couple of guys high up in training. Whomever won out just did it to prove he was more important.
Dropped a turd in every punch bowl.
There’s nothing about these flows and checklists which is an improvement in any way. The Capt is heads down very close to the end of the runway looking for fuel numbers.... (what could ever go wrong there?)
And the implementation was the worst thing I have ever seen in an airplane. It was simply shameful to turn everyone loose and say “have at it, just be careful.” No training. Hell-we do have a couple of videos now, but they have mistakes. Not sure how helpful that is.
Whomever made this decision: You had one job. Just one job.
I am disgusted to know that whomever cocked this up so badly gets paid a big enough mgmt bonus to buy a house each year.
I think this is all the result of some pee pee contest by a couple of guys high up in training. Whomever won out just did it to prove he was more important.
Dropped a turd in every punch bowl.
There’s nothing about these flows and checklists which is an improvement in any way. The Capt is heads down very close to the end of the runway looking for fuel numbers.... (what could ever go wrong there?)
And the implementation was the worst thing I have ever seen in an airplane. It was simply shameful to turn everyone loose and say “have at it, just be careful.” No training. Hell-we do have a couple of videos now, but they have mistakes. Not sure how helpful that is.
Whomever made this decision: You had one job. Just one job.
I am disgusted to know that whomever cocked this up so badly gets paid a big enough mgmt bonus to buy a house each year.
I was also taught to write the ramp and t/o fuel at the bottom of the PDC printout.
That being said I watched from the jumpseat a few days ago and it was a total debacle.
03-21-2019, 05:27 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice
^^^THIS x a million! You’ve nailed my impressions of this whole debacle perfectly.
28 years in this business and I’ve never seen anything so poorly thought out and implemented. My prediction is the company will see a big increase in ASAP reports going forward.
28 years in this business and I’ve never seen anything so poorly thought out and implemented. My prediction is the company will see a big increase in ASAP reports going forward.
I’ve never operated any airliner in such a confused environment. I even flew with a guy who wanted to use the old checklist and I don’t have one.
It’s a real disaster.
I hope whomever imposed this ****show on us loses that position. Let that idiot fly the line and experience this mess firsthand. And most importantly, make sure they never get to be in charge of anything again.
These first few weeks are simply dangerous.
All it would have taken would be a few CBT modules to get everyone comfortable with how this was supposed to work, but we literally got let loose with zero familiarity. Of course, look how much $$$$$ we saved by not paying pilots .75 to do some CBT stuff
03-21-2019, 06:16 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice
^^^THIS x a million! You’ve nailed my impressions of this whole debacle perfectly.
28 years in this business and I’ve never seen anything so poorly thought out and implemented. My prediction is the company will see a big increase in ASAP reports going forward.
28 years in this business and I’ve never seen anything so poorly thought out and implemented. My prediction is the company will see a big increase in ASAP reports going forward.
I tell ya, I don't see that happening.
03-21-2019, 06:17 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear
I’ve noticed the same with the mechanical checklist. Expect several revisions.
03-22-2019, 07:04 AM
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On the Airbus...
The best practice I’ve seen is don’t start the taxi until the Before takeoff is complete to the line.
Captain is heads down way to much.
The ramp congestion and the extended block times will force them to address the issue.
The best practice I’ve seen is don’t start the taxi until the Before takeoff is complete to the line.
Captain is heads down way to much.
The ramp congestion and the extended block times will force them to address the issue.
03-22-2019, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Name User
As far as the fuel goes, that was a standard call out at my former company, done as you took the runway. Most guys I work with write the t/o fuel on their cheat sheet in front of them. And we don't even have these flows on my fleet yet.
I was also taught to write the ramp and t/o fuel at the bottom of the PDC printout.
That being said I watched from the jumpseat a few days ago and it was a total debacle.
I was also taught to write the ramp and t/o fuel at the bottom of the PDC printout.
That being said I watched from the jumpseat a few days ago and it was a total debacle.
The problem is at night. Even if you write the fuel number down the captain has to turn on a light and find it while taxiing.
03-22-2019, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
The problem is at night. Even if you write the fuel number down the captain has to turn on a light and find it while taxiing.
03-22-2019, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Aviatrx
Talk about task saturation. Gosh! I am quite amazed how hard of a time everyone is having doing things a little different. With that being said, at least on the 737 things are not terribly different. The mechanical checklist does not jive well with the checklist and needs to be fixed. I don’t see what is so unsafe though. I believe it has always been a practice to check your min gas before taking the runway, no?
Nice try but no. Before the FO said the min to fuel from the release and the captain verified the fuel on board from the EICAS. Now the captain has to find the release fuel while taxiing.
Maybe next time try and understand the problem before you get all sarcastic.
03-22-2019, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
Nice try but no. Before the FO said the min to fuel from the release and the captain verified the fuel on board from the EICAS. Now the captain has to find the release fuel while taxiing.
Maybe next time try and understand the problem before you get all sarcastic.
Maybe next time try and understand the problem before you get all sarcastic.
03-22-2019, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Aviatrx
Things change all the time. What I am saying is the new changes are a little strange, but verifying your own gas is not earth shattering. Besides, trust but verify for yourself. It is not a big deal for the Captain to jot down a number and possibly have to turn a light on to see it
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