Why are hub to hub routes so full
04-14-2019, 05:41 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by Skyward
I’ve often wondered for commuting purposes which airlines overbook. I know DAL does a lot, and now I know AA. SWA does not. UAL?
04-14-2019, 05:51 PM
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AA used to not overbook their flights as much as they do now.
They also protected first class much better in the past. Upgrades were not free and unlimited like today so it was common for coach to be full and first class would have upgrades and several non-revs sitting up there.
Thanks to drunken Dougie it is all profit before product now. I would be irritated as an elite customer as well because first class often gets sold to the lowest bidder during check-in. So first class will be full and the upgrade list has 30 platinum and golds.
Saw 40 non-revs the other day on a Vegas flight.
They also protected first class much better in the past. Upgrades were not free and unlimited like today so it was common for coach to be full and first class would have upgrades and several non-revs sitting up there.
Thanks to drunken Dougie it is all profit before product now. I would be irritated as an elite customer as well because first class often gets sold to the lowest bidder during check-in. So first class will be full and the upgrade list has 30 platinum and golds.
Saw 40 non-revs the other day on a Vegas flight.
04-14-2019, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbine
Saw 40 non-revs the other day on a Vegas flight.
04-14-2019, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilot X
I know it’s related to the max cancelations but it is funny seeing a LGA-MIA flight next week with a -27 booked for coach 
My commute home tomorrow as of now has almost 100 open on it. But I'm definitely expecting to sit in the Jumpseat!
04-14-2019, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
LOL... If you want a chuckle take a peek at the MCO-MIA and vice versa flights. Or any MCO to anywhere really. 40-60 deep isn’t too unusual.
04-15-2019, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbine
Thanks to drunken Dougie it is all profit before product now. I would be irritated as an elite customer as well because first class often gets sold to the lowest bidder during check-in.
I’d be a fan of our non-rev benefits decoupled from the other employee groups. A certain number of positive-space passes above and beyond D1s, for example. If the FAs want something similar, they can negotiate for them.
04-15-2019, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by thrust
Not defending Parker... but Delta does this extensively, selling targeted upgrades to their frequent fliers at check in. They’d rather monetize that upgrade than give it away for “free”. And, as usual, the frequent fliers ***** and moan and claim they’ll take their business (on tickets usually paid for by their company) elsewhere... which never happens. As the flyertalkers say... “WFBF, Want First Buy First”.
I’d be a fan of our non-rev benefits decoupled from the other employee groups. A certain number of positive-space passes above and beyond D1s, for example. If the FAs want something similar, they can negotiate for them.
I’d be a fan of our non-rev benefits decoupled from the other employee groups. A certain number of positive-space passes above and beyond D1s, for example. If the FAs want something similar, they can negotiate for them.
04-15-2019, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by thrust
Not defending Parker... but Delta does this extensively, selling targeted upgrades to their frequent fliers at check in. They’d rather monetize that upgrade than give it away for “free”. And, as usual, the frequent fliers ***** and moan and claim they’ll take their business (on tickets usually paid for by their company) elsewhere... which never happens. As the flyertalkers say... “WFBF, Want First Buy First”.
I’d be a fan of our non-rev benefits decoupled from the other employee groups. A certain number of positive-space passes above and beyond D1s, for example. If the FAs want something similar, they can negotiate for them.
I’d be a fan of our non-rev benefits decoupled from the other employee groups. A certain number of positive-space passes above and beyond D1s, for example. If the FAs want something similar, they can negotiate for them.
I think the hub to hub get oversold because as the day goes on (or previous days) and connections are missed, often pax have to be routed through a more proximate hub to make their destination vice the direct flight. On Delta, for example, you miss your ATL-PDX flight you either wait another 5 hrs for next direct flight, or you now go ATL-SLC-PDX and get there two hours earlier.
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