190 pay
 

Is the 190 now being paid at 737 rates?

If true is this just a stop gap measure to keep this airplane crewed?

Thanks,

Gup

Huh? Not unless everyone is withheld on it for a Group 2 aircraft...

It will be gone next year anyway, a moot point.

The 319 is the smallest they will have in property, Isom has made it clear, so no worries about GI in the future for new hires.

Yes, supposedly it is going away by next summer. We shall see. As a comparison, look at JB's 190 payscales to get an idea of "what could have been".

I wouldn’t use this as an excuse to ignore G1 rates...

Remember when the contract was signed and CnR was chock full of guys proclaiming 300 GI aircraft were "coming in hot" because the rates were so low?

What if we used negotiating capital to increase those rates at the detriment to others? Would that have been a smart play? Or wasted dollars put into the company's pocket?

AA doesn't want another type on property. Dot period. They don't want a bunch of small narrow bodies because when they fly into outstations the ground handling union scope clause kicks in and suddenly it becomes a mainline station.

They either want to service a station with larger mainline sized aircraft or RJs almost exclusively. The places that mix are mostly split with Envoy handling the AA side and mainline guys doing the US Airways flights, such as RDU.

Part of the contention in the TWU-IAM negotiations is that split...the US Air folks want to capture ALL the stations that Envoy currently exists at even with limited mainline service, like Omaha, Des Moines, Kansas City, etc. It will lead to an enormous cost increase and the same as if the FAs or pilots grabbed all AA work including the RJs.

It's an unrealistic expectation and why they are still "negotiating".

Thank you for the insight. My main concern is that as the regional pilot shortage deepens, flying will eventually be brought back to mainline while the regionals retract. Exactly how/when that happens I’m not too sure. But eventually the amount of money that AAG has to throw at the regionals to staff the flying won’t make sense. And when that happens I would not be surprised to see an SNB or large regional (G1) aircraft order.

That's just it...sooo much more is tied to those RJs than just pilot wages. AA doesn't want many more airplanes at mainline...bigger yes...more no.

During the state of the airline Isom said it best...the contracted deicers at DFW do a better job for cheaper than the unionized workers. They like to outsource. It keeps wages in check and they can shop around for a better deal.

Pre-merger AA had almost 400, 140 seat S80's.

We grew ASMs just by replacing S80's with 737's, and by up-gauging the 160 seat 737s with 172 seats. That alone added ~25 airplanes worth of seats right there.

Our 100 new 321NEOs add 5% capacity increase over the older 321s.

We have 48 320's nearing retirement...what will they be replaced with? Either 172 seat 737's or 196 seat 321's.

There will also be a slowdown or hiccup in the economy sometime...the RJs will be staffed at contractors. We have 600(!) of them. Thinking they will be at mainline is a pipe dream.

I’d bet that 1/3 of the 190 CAs and almost 2/3 of the 190 FOs are making group 2 pay being withheld.

Yes, they are and so we are paying most of them Group 2 and possibly 3 pay and paying to train more often due to the higher attrition, again, mainly because of the payscales. It is a vicious circle, which I guess will be resolved by eliminating the airplane. In the meantime, we will use 99 seat airplanes to augment 737 routes while the MAX is grounded. Go figure.