100% agree.

How is EF going to "fix" APA's structure? You guys are stuck in groupthink: "DC bad, EF good". I have been here 18 months but I doubt you will share your seniority.

I have actually researched their positions, looked at their records, and have talked to each candidate (well, EF wouldnt even respond to my questions via email or via a phone call BTW).

Groupthink: All together now "DC bad, EF good" say it over and over. Dont do any actual research. Just parrot the party line. Jeez.

If you guys do vote in EF then I hope you also vote out the current BOD members when you get a chance to vote for them later. At least that floater S/T from the upgrade ticket didnt win her election but wait, EF is going to put her on the APA payroll, nice move EF.

Is Ferguson a pilot or a paper pusher?
How long has he flown the line?
Has he ever flown a NB hard line? Sat reserve? If so how long?
How long was he an f/o? Captain?

Actually I think all candidates should answer these questions.

I am 21 years legacy AA. EF is for ALPA. I’m for EF. We have a very naive work group at legacy AA.

Headquarters in DFW area is bad. The shear number of former APA officials now working on the companies behalf is not good. I’d gladly pay higher dues to get the jerks out. DC is a bully. He hasn’t flown the narrow bodies since the 1980’s. EF I think is on reserve A320 PHX. To each his own but I want to stir it up a bit.

EF has lived under a contract that had great QOL. Work rules. LTD and STD. Been around Parker and company over 20 years. Never has taken a management job. His side from AWA out smarted the LAA and LUS types. Just look at the SLI.

So call me crazy to think someone of his intellect and intelligence would not be capable of getting us not only the right people to get a ILC but also clean up the corrupt structure of APA. Implement bylaws that allow the BOD to take full control of APA and put the president position back to where it belongs.

The structure of APA won’t be fixed by a lifetime AA and APA type. They see nothing wrong with it. I mean making 400k plus and positive space travel and nice hotels while his pilots are working under some of the worst work rules in the industry.

So forgive me to have been on property far longer then 18 months. I’ve seen Carey and his promises last time around and what actually was done by him. I’ve lived under LUS work rules that were far better then anything APA has had. Heck many of us lived under regional work rules far superior.

So I suppose knowing that EF has lived under better work rules then most at APA. Just recently upgraded and has spent most of his career in a NB it leaves me optimistic. Knowing he was on a side of the SLI that many feel did too well also seems to support he’s not exactly an idiot.

However Carey was previously elected with just a little over 10-15% last election of pilots. Many not voting. Promised to bring the pilot groups together. Let’s face it that hasn’t happened. Many gains were random and from the company because they had to in which match pay of UAL and DAL because new hires would go else where and they had to.

Green Christmas was an epic failure of his administration. At the very least he should have gotten what the FAs had when their issues happened. We got nothing close. Need we now add someone releasing and recording Boeing and leaking tapes? Highly illegal and apparently DC is now linked into that?

So yes forgive me but if someone who’s 18 months on property is going to lecture me about voting for DC when they’re the most likely to be hosed by him and Hamel I say go ahead. Unfortunately when you’re linked to the group 4 CAs who are about to retire and don’t care about your career it says a lot of who you are voting for.

Hamel by the way is the same guy who came into ORD and said “we have to give them something in negotiations” when referring to scope. How’s our scope compared to UAL or DAL? Feel good to have a VP linked to DC who is looking at things to give up when this company is making billions?

It’s moronic that APA changed up negotiating committee when they did. APA has trailed since I got hired 20 years ago. We need new blood. You will learn one day.

"So yes forgive me but if someone who’s 18 months on property is going to lecture me"

Got it. The BOD could say the same thing about you. Maybe pilots with less than 10 years cant vote in elections because WTF do they know. Sound good to you?

I dont believe I started this thread.

AAfng, how long have you been in the 121 world?

I was on the Board under Nick O'Connell not long after APA stated. I felt we did some good things. I got active on the Board again just before I retired and felt it was the sorriest outfit going. The weakness of APA is the Board has so much power that the Board members attempt running the Union and the Company. Most board members are not doing what they are supposed to be doing; taking care of the pilots at their base. Instead Board members try to run the Union and the Company this results in a bunch limited experienced knot heads getting blown away by the Company management. The Union is at its best when there is an active participation by the pilots. That means for starters go to Union meeting. Active input by the line pilots is where the core of Union intelligence is found. Unfortunately most members do not participate or even go to meeting this opens the door to the various "hate the Company" individuals that the only thing they know about negotiation is saying no. The Union is at its best when there is a broad participation by the membership. If the membership stays home the union will get lousy in a hurry.

I see you know it all after 18 months. Luckily I think you are the outlier of most our great new hires. Military? Just find it odd you’d be previously 121 with your comments but I could be wrong.

I see you clearly ignored every other aspect of my reply to advance some odd agenda you have? Vote however. As you should. Just find it odd as someone so close to the bottom you would support Carey. Live and learn however. Hamels comments alone on scope would worry me being so close to the bottom alone with the facts we’ve shrunk fleet count and lowered head count since the merger.