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TallFlyer 06-19-2019 08:58 AM

A321XLR Order
 
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/pres...-a321xlrs.html

Now if they’d just open a BOS 320 base.....


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Arado 234 06-19-2019 09:10 AM

I doubt that the 321XLR will open new routes. Think of it just as a 757 replacement.

Remember the hype when the 787 came out. New routes, point to point etc. Didn't happen. Doubt it'll happen with the XLR.

thrust 06-19-2019 09:14 AM

A321 and the MAX need to be Group III pay.

wiz5422 06-19-2019 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by thrust (Post 2839539)
A321 and the MAX need to be Group III pay.

Agreed....One reason AA is buying the A321XL and parking the 757. Besides the 757 phased out by Boeing it places more aircraft in the group II category saving AA $$$$.

TallFlyer 06-19-2019 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by Arado 234 (Post 2839532)
I doubt that the 321XLR will open new routes. Think of it just as a 757 replacement.



Remember the hype when the 787 came out. New routes, point to point etc. Didn't happen. Doubt it'll happen with the XLR.


I have some family in the BOS area that works in pharmaceuticals. They spend a fair amount of time in Europe on business, traveling on European carriers because that’s who seems to serve the BOS transatlantic market.

And while I concede your point on the 787, at the same time AA has only a fraction of the planned fleet on property. So, maybe, maybe not.....


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N6279P 06-19-2019 09:51 AM

Just when you thought it wasn’t possible for American to take on even more debt.

AAL24 06-19-2019 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by Arado 234 (Post 2839532)
I doubt that the 321XLR will open new routes. Think of it just as a 757 replacement.

Remember the hype when the 787 came out. New routes, point to point etc. Didn't happen. Doubt it'll happen with the XLR.

Agree 100%. With very few exceptions AA mgt is extremely risk averse. Our international route map is pretty weak when you take out our codeshare flying. Cheaper to just give that flying to QANTAS, Japan Airlines, BA, and LATAM.

AAL24 06-19-2019 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 2839559)
I have some family in the BOS area that works in pharmaceuticals. They spend a fair amount of time in Europe on business, traveling on European carriers because that’s who seems to serve the BOS transatlantic market.

And while I concede your point on the 787, at the same time AA has only a fraction of the planned fleet on property. So, maybe, maybe not.....


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Delta just upgraded Boston to hub status. No way is AA going to compete with Delta on BOS-Europe.

450knotOffice 06-19-2019 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by N6279P (Post 2839561)
Just when you thought it wasn’t possible for American to take on even more debt.

30 are conversions from existing orders, and 20 are new orders. In an overall sense, 20 is small potatoes.

Arado 234 06-19-2019 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by AAL24 (Post 2839566)
Delta just upgraded Boston to hub status. No way is AA going to compete with Delta on BOS-Europe.

DL also upgraded AUS to a focus city with transatlantic flights. Meanwhile over at AA headquarters... Nothing !

What exactly justifies management's top salary? What was their plan for KDA? Cheap-a$$ bumper stickers?

Another shining example is TLV. Apparently biggest money for LUS, now we gave that opportunity to DL. The week AA canceled TLV, DL increased their frequency out of NY to 11 flights/week. Our response? Nothing! (well, code share)

Saber72 06-19-2019 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by Arado 234 (Post 2839624)
DL also upgraded AUS to a focus city with transatlantic flights. Meanwhile over at AA headquarters... Nothing !

What exactly justifies management's top salary? What was their plan for KDA? Cheap-a$$ bumper stickers?

Another shining example is TLV. Apparently biggest money for LUS, now we gave that opportunity to DL. The week AA canceled TLV, DL increased their frequency out of NY to 11 flights/week. Our response? Nothing! (well, code share)

AA opened three new widebody European routes out of PHL this summer. Hardly "nothing".

bigscrillywilli 06-19-2019 11:45 AM

But we’ve lost Brussels, Munich, Frankfurt, 1 London coming up this winter. They’re also using 2 a330s on trans-cons daily. Mainline aircraft are decreasing yet again this year, finally set to increase in 2020.

FlyyGuyy 06-19-2019 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by bigscrillywilli (Post 2839643)
But we’ve lost Brussels, Munich, Frankfurt, 1 London coming up this winter. They’re also using 2 a330s on trans-cons daily. Mainline aircraft are decreasing yet again this year, finally set to increase in 2020.

Sure but 190s and md80s are going away..
Is that not a good thing?

Arado 234 06-19-2019 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy (Post 2839645)
Sure but 190s and md80s are going away..
Is that not a good thing?

DL makes headlines with their A220s and A350s. Besides, our E190s have pretty comfy seats and NO middle seats, which a lot of pax seem to like.

Name User 06-19-2019 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by bigscrillywilli (Post 2839643)
But we’ve lost Brussels, Munich, Frankfurt, 1 London coming up this winter. They’re also using 2 a330s on trans-cons daily. Mainline aircraft are decreasing yet again this year, finally set to increase in 2020.

I think those were transferred to DFW weren't they?

Arado 234 06-19-2019 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2839668)
I think those were transferred to DFW weren't they?

If I am starting a trip on the east coast, I am NOT flying 2+ hours the wrong way to DFW to fly 9+ hours to one of those destinations in Europe.

mainlineAF 06-19-2019 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2839668)
I think those were transferred to DFW weren't they?



The only city we lost was Brussels and that was after the attack on the airport there a few years ago. the second (or maybe third) LHR, MUN and FRA went to other bases. So they were only lost from PHL. But phl gained Dubrovnik, Berlin and Bologna.

Name User 06-19-2019 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by Arado 234 (Post 2839740)
If I am starting a trip on the east coast, I am NOT flying 2+ hours the wrong way to DFW to fly 9+ hours to one of those destinations in Europe.

What does that have to do with total pilot jobs and flying here? :confused:

bigscrillywilli 06-19-2019 06:44 PM

Customer experience and the choices they have......you know the people that sign our paychecks? DFW1,000 or bust!!

Delta2heavy 06-20-2019 03:57 AM

It’s funny us delta guys complain about how you and united have so many more widebodies than us while we have all of our joint venture partners do it all. I guess the grass is never greener in the airline world 🤔

Arado 234 06-20-2019 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2839791)
What does that have to do with total pilot jobs and flying here? :confused:

Pax chose a different airline, instead of flying 2+ hours the wrong way.

Name User 06-20-2019 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by Arado 234 (Post 2840008)
Pax chose a different airline, instead of flying 2+ hours the wrong way.

You may be right. They may choose a different airline. But pull up connection lists for those flights now...most everyone connects to the Midwest, West, or Mexico. Maybe they found more connections from the basin DFW serves (and less options for those pax to book elsewhere therefore higher fares) despite being out of Philly, I really don't know without looking up those loads from last year which I don't believe is possible.


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