Opportunity Cost - AA vs UAL?
07-08-2019, 07:02 AM
#11
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You should map out your seniority progression at AA vs UA. Take a look at your relative seniority every 5-10yrs. Taking into account the 3yr difference in hire date, I suspect your estimated career earnings will be significantly higher at AA.
07-08-2019, 07:11 AM
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Seniority and earnings are not necessarily correlated. For example many many FOs at DAL make more than the majority of Captains at AA. Our biggest failing as a pilot group has been comparing our hourly rates and assuming we are in the same ballpark as UAL DAL SWA FEDEX etc. Even JetBlue pilots have the option of dropping their lines and picking up at 200%.
Hopefully this all changes with the new contract. But I doubt it. Haven’t seen a single survey question cover double dipping, trip buys for OE, or 200% premium.
Hopefully this all changes with the new contract. But I doubt it. Haven’t seen a single survey question cover double dipping, trip buys for OE, or 200% premium.
07-08-2019, 07:41 AM
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What is your tolerance for commuting? Some don't mind at all, some loathe it. Having done both throughout my career I'd rather switch companies and not commute. The drop in pay from starting over will be offset by the opportunities available living in base (Premium, OG, dropping trips for easy MU trips).
I moved to base last year. I had a pretty easy commute, 10 flights a day, 5 on us, usually Airbus. Loads were good, sat in the jumpseat less than 5 times a year. I spent 500 hours year getting to and from work. Seniority doesn't seem as important living in base. It doesn't really matter if my trips are commutable, doesn't matter if we get back late. I don't have to worry about weather the day my trip starts.
Reserve isn't so bad living in base.
I moved to base last year. I had a pretty easy commute, 10 flights a day, 5 on us, usually Airbus. Loads were good, sat in the jumpseat less than 5 times a year. I spent 500 hours year getting to and from work. Seniority doesn't seem as important living in base. It doesn't really matter if my trips are commutable, doesn't matter if we get back late. I don't have to worry about weather the day my trip starts.
Reserve isn't so bad living in base.
07-08-2019, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
Wut? AA has replaced a much higher percentage of their fleet in recent years compared to UA/DL. That is the main reason for the debt load.
It may be a competitive advantage..... if there is a huge downturn, AA will be the first into BK court to amend it's debt and rework it's contracts.
07-08-2019, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by full of luv
That, and after the merger, AA never seemed to make much of an effort to pay down debt.
It may be a competitive advantage..... if there is a huge downturn, AA will be the first into BK court to amend it's debt and rework it's contracts.
It may be a competitive advantage..... if there is a huge downturn, AA will be the first into BK court to amend it's debt and rework it's contracts.
They’re paying off and have been paying off high interest debt. The low interest debt is what they’re not paying off. Why would they when they can make more money other places?
07-08-2019, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by AAL24
Seniority and earnings are not necessarily correlated. For example many many FOs at DAL make more than the majority of Captains at AA. Our biggest failing as a pilot group has been comparing our hourly rates and assuming we are in the same ballpark as UAL DAL SWA FEDEX etc. Even JetBlue pilots have the option of dropping their lines and picking up at 200%.
Hopefully this all changes with the new contract. But I doubt it. Haven’t seen a single survey question cover double dipping, trip buys for OE, or 200% premium.
Hopefully this all changes with the new contract. But I doubt it. Haven’t seen a single survey question cover double dipping, trip buys for OE, or 200% premium.
That being said, there might be a few things that JetBlue has that AA might not of it’s true your work rules are still largely from a BK contract. JetBlue’s contract is about 11 months old and Amendable in 2 years in 2021. After next year, 12 year A320 Captain at JetBlue will pay within $3/hr of 12 year AA A320 Captain. So hopefully not only will you guys knock it out of the park with your new contract with work rules but also move the goal post way down field for A320 rates so we will have something awesome to shoot for in 2021.
07-08-2019, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
They’re paying off and have been paying off high interest debt. The low interest debt is what they’re not paying off. Why would they when they can make more money other places?
07-08-2019, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
They’re paying off and have been paying off high interest debt. The low interest debt is what they’re not paying off. Why would they when they can make more money other places?
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